When the levees broke...

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jaustere said:
With pleasure!

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In interviews, and in the documentary, Lee refused to reject the belief, held by many black residents, that the government bombed the levees, flooding the poorest areas to spare the wealthiest ones, such as the French Quarter, which is the biggest draw for tourists. "We let people say what they think," he said, noting the government did destroy levees during the 1927 Great Flood of Mississippi. "We have people from the Lower Ninth Ward who swear on a stack of Bibles they heard explosions. We have scientists say that it wasn't explosions, that they heard water going through a levee."

He told CNN: "I don't put anything past the US government. I don't find it too far-fetched that they tried to displace all the black people out of New Orleans."

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1851743,00.html

I'm not interested in a political debate and won't discuss this here.
But for the record, I don't post "Bs." :)
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He never said it was a fact, or anything he came up with himself. Hes just throwing out what hes heard from the residents who suffered during the disaster. What would you do? as a filmmaker, would you be willing to bury some comments made by residents who swear they saw and heard what they did because it may boil the water a little too much? I sure wouldn't I'd throw it out there just like he did.
 
KOVAROVA said:
true.

but who said it was?
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http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/26126/

Oh I don't know; a bunch of whack jobs.

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And why report bullshit ? If I'm doing a Doc on a flood and people start screaming it is aliens, It doesn't mean I'll report it (Maybe in the outtakes reel)
e told CNN: "I don't put anything past the US government. I don't find it too far-fetched that they tried to displace all the black people out of New Orleans."
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I wouldn't put anything past the government either; within the realm of plausibility.

He doesnt find it too far fecthed that our government tried to displace balck people? OMFG

Spike Lee is an asshat. He is the exact kind of person that keeps this **** brewing for future generations to deal with. I am aware that racsm and hate still exists, but he should try calming the waters , not stewing them
 
Seriously John...What is going on? I for one have had enough of conspiracy theories lately. First 9/11, now this - so who is this crack governmental team of invisible demolition experts anyway? What a resume they have now, huh? Responsible for the destruction of both the WTC AND the levees in N.O. These guys are going to put terrorists and hurricanes out of business, always beating them to the punch...

But seriously, I'm sure the documentary is great. My heart goes out to those affected and I hope the doc spurs a greater effort on everyone's part to get the money and resources they need to rebuild. Despite what I posted before, I would like to watch this, irrational Spike or no.

And Filmmakerr: All I'm saying is that when I heard Spike Lee talking about this (and if you're really that interested you can find the transcript somewhere) I came away with the understanding that he REALLY believes that the levees were blown. Regardless of where the theory originated, this guy sincerely believes it. Obviously, one's own personal take on the conspiracy theory (true or not) will determine whether your opinion of him changes at all. Mine did. And that's all.
 
Maybe they used some of that alien technology recovered from Roswell and stored at Wright-Patterson AFB :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
FilmMakerr said:
He never said it was a fact, or anything he came up with himself. Hes just throwing out what hes heard from the residents who suffered during the disaster. What would you do? as a filmmaker, would you be willing to bury some comments made by residents who swear they saw and heard what they did because it may boil the water a little too much? I sure wouldn't I'd throw it out there just like he did.
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Indeed, and there are a lot of people affiliated with a number of news organizations, both mainstream and indie who've reported on this, that is what must be emphasized. Spike isn't paving the way for some conspiracy theory, as some dismissively label it, he's simply providing a channel for their voices to be heard. Just as this board occasionally serves to provide space for some well placed individuals to insult other people’s points of views.

And all things considered, it shouldn't come as much of a shock for people to take the victims’ perspectives into consideration when reviewing the series of events that surrounded this catastrophe.
If they’ve lived it and you haven’t, their views tend to take precedence over yours.
On the opposite end, it does come as a bit of a shock to find that people would not only go so far as to dismiss the perspectives shared among these people who've endured this horrific event, and continue to endure the troubles that lie ahead, but actually begin to assert in their dismissal of such a perspective that anyone who believes this or would even bother considering it is "nuts" or "out of line".
It seems self serving and irresolute of rationale.

There's always room for civil discourse, though the time and place is always inconvenient for someone.
I find it odd though that the same people who institute certain policies and selectively reinforce those policies would even be remotely successful at having you believe they're supportive of everyone's views, yet we see that they’re often the first ones to cast the stones that bring the whole thing down.
 
Blaine said:
Maybe they used some of that alien technology recovered from Roswell and stored at Wright-Patterson AFB :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
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You are absolutely correct, Blaine...but it was much, much more than that.

Actually the studio where they shot the "staged" Armstrong/Aldrin moon landing was located under the levees themselves (which, by the way, was the current lair of the dinosauroids reptilian sect of which Princess Diana was a member.) Truth be told, there was an entire compound of networking tunnels hidden within the levees themselves.

Also housed in this super secret chamber was the Bilderberg Groups' mind-controlling bar code production factory...the lost plans for the Nazi moon base...the formula for Kentucky Fried Chicken's secret recipe to keep black men impotent...Aristotle Onassis' Gemstone File Project...the Yakuza...I could go on and on.

It was an ingenious plot really. Why just "displace some poor black people" when you could do so much more. Killing countless birds with one stone...now that's ingenuity.
 
Callaghan, I think you've said too much. I want you to go quickly to your window and tell me if there is a black suburban parked across the street.
 
specialed said:
If you haven't heard, its Spike Lee's doc on post Katrina happenings.

Very, very powerful stuff.

Anyone else seen it?
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I plan on catching it tonight.
If it isn't as powerful as you say it is, then I'm going to hold you and all of the Hurricane Katrina Victims responsible for my displeasure.
 
There is at my place. shi*.

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Indeed, and there are a lot of people affiliated with a number of news organizations, both mainstream and indie who've reported on this, that is what must be emphasized. Spike isn't paving the way for some conspiracy theory, as some dismissively label it, he's simply providing a channel for their voices to be heard. Just as this board occasionally serves to provide space for some well placed individuals to insult other people’s points of views.
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Where are you going with this exactly ? Insult whose P.O.V.'s ?

So a doc on the moon landing focusing on the idea that Kubrick filmed it is honorablee filmmkaing? It's exploitive and Spike is always gunning for attention and agenda. He oughta be ashamed of himself with his racially motivated crusade.

Martin Luther King must be rolling in his grave over Spike.

And all things considered, it shouldn't come as much of a shock for people to take the victims’ perspectives into consideration when reviewing the series of events that surrounded this catastrophe.

If they’ve lived it and you haven’t, their views tend to take precedence over yours.
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And there you go, in the same breath you dismiss the opinions of those that have no intimacy with the event which is kind of an insult, isn't it?

On the opposite end, it does come as a bit of a shock to find that people would not only go so far as to dismiss the perspectives shared among these people who've endured this horrific event, and continue to endure the troubles that lie ahead, but actually begin to assert in their dismissal of such a perspective that anyone who believes this or would even bother considering it is "nuts" or "out of line".
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You really think secret agents bombed the levees in order to destroy an entire American city ? You think balck people are the only ones that suffered ? Rich, Poor, Black, White, Big Business, Small Business, everyone and every demographic were focked by Katrina

It seems self serving and irresolute of rationale.
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As oppossed to Naive and Insane.

There's always room for civil discourse, though the time and place is always inconvenient for someone.
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It sounds like Spikes latest masterpiece has nothing to do with Civil Discourse and more with the sensationalism and propaganda.

I find it odd though that the same people who institute certain policies and selectively reinforce those policies would even be remotely successful at having you believe they're supportive of everyone's views, yet we see that they’re often the first ones to cast the stones that bring the whole thing down.
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Have something on your mind ? Refrain from the innuendo and say it. You have my attention.
 
CallaghanFilms said:
....Actually the studio where they shot the "staged" Armstrong/Aldrin moon landing was located under the levees themselves (which, by the way, was the current lair of the dinosauroids reptilian sect of which Princess Diana was a member.) Truth be told, there was an entire compound of networking tunnels hidden within the levees themselves.

Also housed in this super secret chamber was the Bilderberg Groups' mind-controlling bar code production factory...the lost plans for the Nazi moon base...the formula for Kentucky Fried Chicken's secret recipe to keep black men impotent...Aristotle Onassis' Gemstone File Project...the Yakuza....
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The sad thing about all that is that you could easily find a dozen people -some with some kind of a degree- who'd do on-camera interviews backing up those things as "facts".
 
vidled said:
The sad thing about all that is that you could easily find a dozen people -some with some kind of a degree- who'd do on-camera interviews backing up those things as "facts".
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That's kinda the point he was making...:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
Blaine said:
That's kinda the point he was making...:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
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LOL, exactly.
I guess the point I am trying to make (badly) is this:

There are two kinds of documentarians in the world. Those who interview people and research the subject and subsequently formulate the story based on their findings; and those who seek out the people who simply confirm their preconceived notions of what the story should be.
 
vidled said:
There are two kinds of documentarians in the world. Those who interview people and research the subject and subsequently formulate the story based on their findings; and those who seek out the people who simply confirm their preconceived notions of what the story should be.
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Ain't it the truth. Instead of going where the story takes them, they take it where they want it to go...
 
vidled said:
There are two kinds of documentarians in the world. Those who interview people and research the subject and subsequently formulate the story based on their findings; and those who seek out the people who simply confirm their preconceived notions of what the story should be.
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No doubt, so where would you rate Spike Lee's documentary?
 
Blaine said:
Ain't it the truth. Instead of going where the story takes them, they take it where they want it to go...
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I'm trying to think of some noteworthy docs that did and didn't do this, one on one side and another claiming an opposite point of view, are there any documentaries right now that have an opposing view to Spike Lee's that we can reference to see if either or are taking one or the other direction?
 
If not, then I guess we could always just talk to the people and find out what they think...
Spike did this though, didn't he?
 
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