What to shoot on?

Kevin Vega

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We're having a little trouble figuring out what to shoot our company's feature on.

We've been leaning towards RED Epics, Canon C300s, Sony F55s, or Arri Alexas; but with the story line being what it is, we've recently considered shooting film.

This is the synopsis:
After the sudden death of a sibling, Diamond and Amber's idyllic young lives are thrust into a hellish nightmare of abuse at the hands of their father. Unable to cope with the tragic event, parents Jeff and Erica descend into a dark abyss of depression and alcoholism.

Diamond and Amber, growing tired of the abuse, and their mother's acceptance of it, run away to their older sister's (Michelle, 20) house, who has since moved out of the family home. It's a long 100 mile trip of hitchhiking and walking that let's them see the good and bad of modern society.


With that, we've been thinking that the grain of film might add a little subconscious grittiness to the film. We're just dreading the idea of dealing with film labs, dark rooms, dust, short run times, etc.

Looking for opinions.

What about shooting RED and doing grain in post? I just don't know how natural it'll look, though.
 
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You shouldn't be afraid to add grain in post. Award winning cinematographers have been doing this for years not only for movies shot digitally but also for movies shot on film. Film grain isn't some mystical quality, it can be replicated decently both from grain sourced from actual film and from quality synthetic grain.

You should certainly play a bit with all/some of the cameras you are considering and see if you happen to like the native noise structure. Also test how the footage looks with grain overlayed.
 
Set a budget, have your DP shoot tests, and then select the best camera for the job within your budgetary restraints.

I happen to like the ergonomics of the Alexa as well as the look obtainable, but then again I also feel that camera selection is probably one of the least important things to consider when shooting a feature film.

All the Best!

Dave
 
I personally love shooting film.

If budget is an issue, consider shooting 3-perf or 2-perf. Even S16 will get you a grittier look. I am not a huge fan of the digital look of RED, Canon and Sony. I don't midn the Alexa as much, and it is my go-to digital camera, but I still prefer the feel of 35mm.

As long as you have a competent camera crew, you shouldn't really have any more worries shooting film than shooting digital.
 
It's kind of funny, we had a client insist we shoot 35mm film for his product shoots, so we rented a 535 and shot Kodak 5213. He absolutely hated it, and bitched about how grainy it was. We de-grained the footage and he bitched it was now too soft. In the end he preferred the demo shots we had done with the GH2. Go figure!
 
I'd be tempted to go the S16 route as jax_rox says. The grittiness of the stock might lend itself well to the subject matter of the story. Nothings better than a well shot, gritty road movie on S16.
 
We're having a little trouble figuring out what to shoot our company's feature on.

We've been leaning towards RED Epics, Canon C300s, Sony F55s, or Arri Alexas; but with the story line being what it is, we've recently considered shooting film.

IMHO the truth is any of the above will do!

But if I was in your place I would probably want to shot 4k RAW with EPIC (but that's just my preference). But then again I have no idea how your production looks like, so... Do you have a competent crew? How much budget do you have?
Will you shoot lot's of scenes with uncontrolled lighting?

If you have a good, big crew and lots of budget then I guess it really doesn't matter that much:) (but then again, an Alexa will produce a better picture then C300) If you have a "so-so" crew then shoot RAW with as much bitdept and dynamic range you can get. So you can work around production mistakes in post.
 
This is a conversation to have with your DP. Have you picked one yet?

Not yet... filtering through 600+ (entire crew) Mandy.com submissions at the moment.

Defintely all some good points. Thanks guys.
 
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If I was shooting a feature I would make sure it is 2k or 4k and definitely RAW. My opinion is that a good grade can really make a film stand out and look polished and more "expensive". Even though you might not need more than a 2k print, 4k in post is going to save your ass when a detail is missed or you need some insert shots you didn't get on the day. 4k has other advantages in post. Consider 4k an insurance policy, we all know things happen and don't always go as planned..... .
 
Seriously: S16. It gives you the look you want and it gives you the 'raw' capabilities that others have been talking about (which IMO, you shouldn't have your shooting format and workflow dictated by mistakes that might happen - but that's another discussion).

At the end of the day, do whatever you want, and make sure you discuss with yoru DP. But, if I was your DP, I'd be saying let's shoot this on S16.
 
Not yet... filtering through 600+ (entire crew) Mandy.com submissions at the moment.

Defintely all some good points. Thanks guys.

Hire me and save some reading. :) hahaha

Definitely talk to the DP and doing tests can be a great way to settle a divided mind.


There are excellent ways to get film grain in digital if film is ruled out of contention... which it often is.
 
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