what is with macs that make them so special?
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BLUESPIDER
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Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
[quote author=Jerry XCheck link=board=Offtopic;num=1105471619;start=15#20 date=01/11/05 at 14:44:29]
I always thought smelly armpits were sexy... :-*
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Canadians..
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[quote author=Jerry XCheck link=board=Offtopic;num=1105471619;start=15#20 date=01/11/05 at 14:44:29]
I always thought smelly armpits were sexy... :-*
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Canadians..
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I've just always loved Macs. I'm laying here on the couch with my PowerBook, wireless, broadband, and its just so nice... I've had it for over a year, I've never had one crash, never had a virus, never even ran a virus check on it. I use a G5 for editing, on the 23 inch monitor,and I've never had ONE problem. I have a Toshiba laptop in the basement, the only PC I've ever owned, and I'd be surprised if I ever start it up again... I have a few PC friends that are ALWAYS having to reformat everything on their machines because of some virus they picked up. I'm sure that some people have had problems with Macs, and been totally happy with their PCs, but I don't think I could ever switch. And then theres Microsoft, Ugh. To me the OS difference is kind of like comparing a new mini Cooper to a 79 Yugo. But, to each his own.
I've just always loved Macs. I'm laying here on the couch with my PowerBook, wireless, broadband, and its just so nice... I've had it for over a year, I've never had one crash, never had a virus, never even ran a virus check on it. I use a G5 for editing, on the 23 inch monitor,and I've never had ONE problem. I have a Toshiba laptop in the basement, the only PC I've ever owned, and I'd be surprised if I ever start it up again... I have a few PC friends that are ALWAYS having to reformat everything on their machines because of some virus they picked up. I'm sure that some people have had problems with Macs, and been totally happy with their PCs, but I don't think I could ever switch. And then theres Microsoft, Ugh. To me the OS difference is kind of like comparing a new mini Cooper to a 79 Yugo. But, to each his own.
Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
[quote author=Jim Brennan link=board=Offtopic;num=1105471619;start=0#3 date=01/11/05 at 11:47:54]Advertising is replete with macs. I'm a PC person by default. But one of the advantages of a mac (or so I am told) is they they are far less susceptible to virus problems. Why that is, I don't know.[/quote]
They're not less susceptible. But they're only 10% of the market (or less) and it's not worth anyone's time to develop a virus for them.
Anyone -- and I repeat this, ANYONE -- who gets a virus on his/her PC does so because he/she does something that shouldn't be done or fails to do something that should be done.
[quote author=Jim Brennan link=board=Offtopic;num=1105471619;start=0#3 date=01/11/05 at 11:47:54]Advertising is replete with macs. I'm a PC person by default. But one of the advantages of a mac (or so I am told) is they they are far less susceptible to virus problems. Why that is, I don't know.[/quote]
They're not less susceptible. But they're only 10% of the market (or less) and it's not worth anyone's time to develop a virus for them.
Anyone -- and I repeat this, ANYONE -- who gets a virus on his/her PC does so because he/she does something that shouldn't be done or fails to do something that should be done.
KOVAROVA
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Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
Can Vegas be used on a Mac? Can Motion be used on a PC? The sky needs to open up and allow us to use what ever software on what ever platform we want. Soon maybe? Im a big fan of the mac. Had to get my mother one because they are so user friendly. Now I almost never have to ‘fix’ her system when I visit.
Can Vegas be used on a Mac? Can Motion be used on a PC? The sky needs to open up and allow us to use what ever software on what ever platform we want. Soon maybe? Im a big fan of the mac. Had to get my mother one because they are so user friendly. Now I almost never have to ‘fix’ her system when I visit.
Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
Iddn't gonna happen any time soon.
If Apple allowed its software to be run on a PC . . .
It would sell a lot more software.
But it would sell a lot fewer computers.
Iddn't gonna happen any time soon.
If Apple allowed its software to be run on a PC . . .
It would sell a lot more software.
But it would sell a lot fewer computers.
Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
Ok, the conspiracy theorists claim these are rigged, but here are some mac vs pc comparisons.
http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/
I started out on PC, Adobe Premiere, Avid. Made the switch to Mac/FCP and LOVE it. Won't ever go back. Although I did end up having to buy a PC again so I could play video games on it.
Aside from that, get what you can afford. The films look the same in the end no matter what kind of computer you use.
Ahhh, but no viruses, no crashes...bliss. I <3 my Macs.
Ok, the conspiracy theorists claim these are rigged, but here are some mac vs pc comparisons.
http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/
I started out on PC, Adobe Premiere, Avid. Made the switch to Mac/FCP and LOVE it. Won't ever go back. Although I did end up having to buy a PC again so I could play video games on it.
Aside from that, get what you can afford. The films look the same in the end no matter what kind of computer you use.
Ahhh, but no viruses, no crashes...bliss. I <3 my Macs.
kitsu
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Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
I have used PC's since the days of DOS installed on a 5 1/4" floppy drive, back when I was like 7. I used PC's nearly exclusively through high school and some of college and was part of that "ewwwww, MAC" camp of PC users.
2 years ago I got the 12" powerbook. I still use my PC for day to day tasks, surfing the web, chat, a few games (can't do too much anymore as this machine is 4 ish years old), but for video editing I like my mac and FCP. When I upgrade desktops I'll get whatever is current for the Mac (be it G5 or something else).
I still like PC, but I like the Mac too. Its just a computer, plain and simple.
You can get work done on both.
If PC's ceased to exist tomorrow, you would get your work done on a Mac just fine. Same going the other way around.
Having used both, I really think its a rather stupid arguement, and you should get and use what you are comfortable with.
BTW, my Powerbook has crashes nearly as often as my PC, so that argument is moot too in my mind.
~Andrew
I have used PC's since the days of DOS installed on a 5 1/4" floppy drive, back when I was like 7. I used PC's nearly exclusively through high school and some of college and was part of that "ewwwww, MAC" camp of PC users.
2 years ago I got the 12" powerbook. I still use my PC for day to day tasks, surfing the web, chat, a few games (can't do too much anymore as this machine is 4 ish years old), but for video editing I like my mac and FCP. When I upgrade desktops I'll get whatever is current for the Mac (be it G5 or something else).
I still like PC, but I like the Mac too. Its just a computer, plain and simple.
You can get work done on both.
If PC's ceased to exist tomorrow, you would get your work done on a Mac just fine. Same going the other way around.
Having used both, I really think its a rather stupid arguement, and you should get and use what you are comfortable with.
BTW, my Powerbook has crashes nearly as often as my PC, so that argument is moot too in my mind.
~Andrew
THX1138
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Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
Your PB has system crashes on a regular basis? Something is wrong.
I have never had a system crash on either of my macs. The one I've had longest is almost 5 years old.
Not saying it can't happen, but in my experience if you're having the kinds of crashes one typically experiences in the Windows world and as often, something is wrong.
I've certainly dealt with apps freezing or crashing, but never a system crash. And even those are easier to recover from than in Windows, typically. No shared memory, therefore other apps aren't dragged down with the crash victim.
Your PB has system crashes on a regular basis? Something is wrong.
I have never had a system crash on either of my macs. The one I've had longest is almost 5 years old.
Not saying it can't happen, but in my experience if you're having the kinds of crashes one typically experiences in the Windows world and as often, something is wrong.
I've certainly dealt with apps freezing or crashing, but never a system crash. And even those are easier to recover from than in Windows, typically. No shared memory, therefore other apps aren't dragged down with the crash victim.
Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
I worked at a titling and color correction place in New York and we used Macs for all our Digital Intermediate work. At the time I was thinking about getting a mac. We experienced a lot of crashes on a number of our G4s. I think the only time both PC's and Macs don't crash is if you use it for light computing. Once you push both platforms heavily they will piss on you sooner or later. Windows really sucked from versions 95 to ME, but 2000 and XP are very stable.
Macs aren't that special. They're pretty, and they're pretty user friendly, but so's Windows XP. Apple is brilliant at marketing. If I had to market a feature and could hire Apple, I would. Apple is brilliant at selling you the lifestyle of their products. They do an ingenious job of making you think that your life is empty if you're missing an Ipod. I just got one for my girlfriend and all of a sudden my discman feels like it's stoneage.
I worked at a titling and color correction place in New York and we used Macs for all our Digital Intermediate work. At the time I was thinking about getting a mac. We experienced a lot of crashes on a number of our G4s. I think the only time both PC's and Macs don't crash is if you use it for light computing. Once you push both platforms heavily they will piss on you sooner or later. Windows really sucked from versions 95 to ME, but 2000 and XP are very stable.
Macs aren't that special. They're pretty, and they're pretty user friendly, but so's Windows XP. Apple is brilliant at marketing. If I had to market a feature and could hire Apple, I would. Apple is brilliant at selling you the lifestyle of their products. They do an ingenious job of making you think that your life is empty if you're missing an Ipod. I just got one for my girlfriend and all of a sudden my discman feels like it's stoneage.
Terry_Lasater
All about the Caption
Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
I knew as soon as I opened this thread that some PC users would be in here poking around looking for an opportunity to dispute some Mac user's testimony and to water down any claims of Macs being an economically viable option. :
I've used Macs since 1988. Back then (late 80's and early 90's), if you wanted to do anything related to graphic design or audio/video production, the most popular software was *only* available for Macs (Avid, Premiere, Quark XPress, Illustrator, Painter, Macromedia Director, ProTools, etc.).
I still use Macs as they have evolved well over the years and the experience is the best to me.
I knew as soon as I opened this thread that some PC users would be in here poking around looking for an opportunity to dispute some Mac user's testimony and to water down any claims of Macs being an economically viable option. :
I've used Macs since 1988. Back then (late 80's and early 90's), if you wanted to do anything related to graphic design or audio/video production, the most popular software was *only* available for Macs (Avid, Premiere, Quark XPress, Illustrator, Painter, Macromedia Director, ProTools, etc.).
I still use Macs as they have evolved well over the years and the experience is the best to me.
Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
With these kinds of threads it's only a matter of time until we get to the apples and oranges argument. Fortunately this argument isn't as heated as a political debate. (though I've seen it escalate to that point before) It's kind of like the Beatles and Elvis comparison. You can like them both, but you can't like one more than the other. Even if you claim to like them both, deep down you still have a preference for one over the other.
With these kinds of threads it's only a matter of time until we get to the apples and oranges argument. Fortunately this argument isn't as heated as a political debate. (though I've seen it escalate to that point before) It's kind of like the Beatles and Elvis comparison. You can like them both, but you can't like one more than the other. Even if you claim to like them both, deep down you still have a preference for one over the other.
Terry_Lasater
All about the Caption
Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
[quote author=Isaac Brody link=board=Offtopic;num=1105471619;start=30#33 date=01/11/05 at 23:02:41]With these kinds of threads it's only a matter of time until we get to the apples and oranges argument. Fortunately this argument isn't as heated as a political debate. (though I've seen it escalate to that point before) It's kind of like the Beatles and Elvis comparison. You can like them both, but you can't like one more than the other. Even if you claim to like them both, deep down you still have a preference for one over the other. [/quote]
Yeah, unfortunately it tends to make our loving li'l community take sides. So, that bites.
[quote author=Isaac Brody link=board=Offtopic;num=1105471619;start=30#33 date=01/11/05 at 23:02:41]With these kinds of threads it's only a matter of time until we get to the apples and oranges argument. Fortunately this argument isn't as heated as a political debate. (though I've seen it escalate to that point before) It's kind of like the Beatles and Elvis comparison. You can like them both, but you can't like one more than the other. Even if you claim to like them both, deep down you still have a preference for one over the other. [/quote]
Yeah, unfortunately it tends to make our loving li'l community take sides. So, that bites.
Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
I'm a Beatles man myself. ;D
I'm a Beatles man myself. ;D
Terry_Lasater
All about the Caption
Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
*That* was funny!
*That* was funny!
J_Barnes
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Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
I'm a professional, as much as I like to dispute that claim, it's true. I never know who I'm going to be working for next, so I can't afford to really take sides. People that argue vigorously for one platform or the other can't be trusted. We all know what we prefer, but once you start quoting rediculous benchmarking claims in either direction...lets just say you're a little too invested in your hardware.
By the way, what if I hate Elvis and the Beatles equally?
I'm a professional, as much as I like to dispute that claim, it's true. I never know who I'm going to be working for next, so I can't afford to really take sides. People that argue vigorously for one platform or the other can't be trusted. We all know what we prefer, but once you start quoting rediculous benchmarking claims in either direction...lets just say you're a little too invested in your hardware.
By the way, what if I hate Elvis and the Beatles equally?
Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
You don't buy a drill to own a drill. You buy it to make a hole. It's not about the tool, it's about the project.
You don't buy a drill to own a drill. You buy it to make a hole. It's not about the tool, it's about the project.
Frizzle Fry
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Re: what is with macs that make them so special?
" You don't buy a drill to own a drill. You buy it to make a hole. It's not about the tool, it's about the project."
Precisely.
I work in I.T. After graduating I never dreamed I'd be administrating macs. But here I am, working at a newspaper. Unfortunately, most of the workstations are older G4s and G3s running OS 9.2.2, which -- as you Mac guys know -- isn't very stable or reliable. I run OS 10.3 on my newer G4 and it's the most polished, user-friendly, streamlined OS I've used. Classic mode isn't perfect by any stretch, but at least older software is still usable.
BUT...in the last year with OS 10.3 at work (light CPU work) and Windows XP Pro at home (heavy processing and rendering), the Mac has crashed 6 times and XP has NEVER crashed. Sure, programs crash in both systems, but they both recover equally well.
SO, use whatever system you are comfortable with. I'm here to tell you they're not as dissimilar as many would have you believe, with the main discernable differences found in the UI. (Windows is a lot more customizable, though. You can even make it look like Mac OS!)
What it boils down to is this: Both platforms are tools. A means to an end. As with any tool, it is vital to learn how to use them properly -- buying a table saw doesn't make you a carpenter. Can you arrive at the same destination using Mac or PC? ABSOLUTELY.
The lines are blurry. You can't go wrong either way.
" You don't buy a drill to own a drill. You buy it to make a hole. It's not about the tool, it's about the project."
Precisely.
I work in I.T. After graduating I never dreamed I'd be administrating macs. But here I am, working at a newspaper. Unfortunately, most of the workstations are older G4s and G3s running OS 9.2.2, which -- as you Mac guys know -- isn't very stable or reliable. I run OS 10.3 on my newer G4 and it's the most polished, user-friendly, streamlined OS I've used. Classic mode isn't perfect by any stretch, but at least older software is still usable.
BUT...in the last year with OS 10.3 at work (light CPU work) and Windows XP Pro at home (heavy processing and rendering), the Mac has crashed 6 times and XP has NEVER crashed. Sure, programs crash in both systems, but they both recover equally well.
SO, use whatever system you are comfortable with. I'm here to tell you they're not as dissimilar as many would have you believe, with the main discernable differences found in the UI. (Windows is a lot more customizable, though. You can even make it look like Mac OS!)
What it boils down to is this: Both platforms are tools. A means to an end. As with any tool, it is vital to learn how to use them properly -- buying a table saw doesn't make you a carpenter. Can you arrive at the same destination using Mac or PC? ABSOLUTELY.
The lines are blurry. You can't go wrong either way.