What is a Vegas user likely to love/hate about Edius?

[Dustin Wadsworth]

The few claims I made aren't bull crap. I don't need a tutorial for sound booth I understand what the tools can do. I own it and I've tried to use it but I see little advantage to it over the tools in sony vegas, let alone audition.
I actually do score with other programs and vegas, though I've never had to make a comprehensive score. So if your using it for scoring than thats cool, if the workflow suits you than great but I'm not claiming it has a crappy workflow. The tools for cleaning and enhancing audio are what I'm complaining about.

Sound booth is just flat out not as powerful as a program like adobe audition for cleaning up sound, you can't argue that and I can make a strong argument for Vegas being better for controlling audio. The link I posted does a good job of showing the contrast between audition and soundbooth.

It's all based on needs as you suggest. If Soundbooth with PPro suits you than awesome.
I need more control over my sound which I can have in Vegas. CS4 is awesome, I'll be using it for a project after I type this but in terms of audio I don't think it comes close to something like Vegas alone and not even in the same ball park of vegas with audition (which you can set up to open audio files by hitting Ctrl-e.) Give vegas some credit for what you get for the price for goodness sakes!

Frequency analysis is like training wheels. It's a way to learn to hear. I don't use it any more, and I don't know a whole lot of professionals that do. I was in technicolor getting some film color timed and I asked the colorist if he uses his scopes anymore and he said not really, he just looks at the screen. Same sort of thing. You need a good pair of monitors way more than you need a frequency analyzer!

Sorry for getting a bit of topic pcascio, hope any of this is useful.

 

[medeamajic]

The few claims I made aren't bull crap. I don't need a tutorial for sound booth I understand what the tools can do. I own it and I've tried to use it but I see little advantage to it over the tools in sony vegas, let alone audition.
I actually do score with other programs and vegas, though I've never had to make a comprehensive score. So if your using it for scoring than thats cool, if the workflow suits you than great but I'm not claiming it has a crappy workflow. The tools for cleaning and enhancing audio are what I'm complaining about.

Sound booth is just flat out not as powerful as a program like adobe audition for cleaning up sound, you can't argue that and I can make a strong argument for Vegas being better for controlling audio. The link I posted does a good job of showing the contrast between audition and soundbooth.

It's all based on needs as you suggest. If Soundbooth with PPro suits you than awesome.
I need more control over my sound which I can have in Vegas. CS4 is awesome, I'll be using it for a project after I type this but in terms of audio I don't think it comes close to something like Vegas alone and not even in the same ball park of vegas with audition (which you can set up to open audio files by hitting Ctrl-e.) Give vegas some credit for what you get for the price for goodness sakes!

Frequency analysis is like training wheels. It's a way to learn to hear. I don't use it any more, and I don't know a whole lot of professionals that do. I was in technicolor getting some film color timed and I asked the colorist if he uses his scopes anymore and he said not really, he just looks at the screen. Same sort of thing. You need a good pair of monitors way more than you need a frequency analyzer!

Sorry for getting a bit of topic pcascio, hope any of this is useful.

Audition is more poweful than SoundBooth for working and editing work for musicians but not for editing a TV show or film score. The Spectral frequency display is very useful and both Audition and SoundBooth have it. It is not a form of training wheels. I think you are very very confused. The frequency or spectral frequency analizer/display is very useful for just pulling out a certain sound. With out the visual layout of all the frequencies you could not take out just a certain sound. A simple audio waveform editor will not give you that control. Everything in the video you posted can be added to SoundBooth with VST pluggins (it is in mine already) but not the spectral freqency display and auto composer. You need to watch the actual Adobe videos not some hack on youtube.com. Both handle noise reduction and compression the same way for the most part. I have both programs so maybe some of the features of Audition tap into SoundBooth on my system. At any rate VST plugins can be added or Audition could be bought seperatley.



http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/video_workshop/

Select SoundBooth as the product. Then select audio editing and mixing as the topic. Then watch the videos listed below.

Cleaning and restoring audio.
Creating music with auto Composer.

I think after watching the SoundBooth video titled "Cleaning and restoring audio" and then watching the video titled "Creating music with Auto Composer" you will have a change of heart about your hatred of SoundBooth. At the very least the readers of this thread will be able to see what SoundBoth can realy do. I don't think the guy in your video link realy tried to explore all the assest of SoundBooth and I don't think your assesment of Sound Both is acurate. I am sure you will agree with me on that after watching the videos.

I admit Vegas could have had these features added in version 7, 8 or 9 but my version of Vegas did not (version 5 or 6 I think). At any rate I find your comments totaly bogus. Post links to Adobe's Videos not youtube hacks. Keep in mind Audition can tap into the CS4 products on the PC side.

It will state again. The CS4 Production Premium is not for everyone but I don't like to see bogus info about Edius or CS4. I am sure we can all agree Edius can not compete with SoundBooth for audio editing and I do not think that Vegas is much better if at all depending on your needs and the plugins you own already.

 

[Dustin Wadsworth]

With out the visual layout of all the frequencies you could not take out just a certain sound

Uh yeah you can. With a parametic eq. This is exactly the noob stuff that I'm talking about.
I just watched the cleaning and restoring audio video from the link you posted and it totally backs up what I'm saying. They way he does it is the worst because he's using the crappy Sound Booth plugin that has TWO parameters "Reduction" and "Reduce By" from a scale of "Light" to "Aggressive." I'm saying that this is a newbie way to reduce noise. Unless you understand what you are doing to the frequencies then expect not to learn anything about cleaning up your audio. This is a training wheels plugin like I said.
You can hear the artifacting this is creating right in the video! Crap algorithms!!!!!!! The only time you should be doing this is if you go and drop $800 on Waves' Z-Noise package and use that in Soundbooth; or you can learn to do it the right way with a decent plugin in Audition.

The auto Composer is not bad, I might start playing around with it.

 

[medeamajic]

Uh yeah you can. With a parametic eq. This is exactly the noob stuff that I'm talking about.
I just watched the cleaning and restoring audio video from the link you posted and it totally backs up what I'm saying. They way he does it is the worst because he's using the crappy Sound Booth plugin that has TWO parameters "Reduction" and "Reduce By" from a scale of "Light" to "Aggressive." I'm saying that this is a newbie way to reduce noise. Unless you understand what you are doing to the frequencies then expect not to learn anything about cleaning up your audio. This is a training wheels plugin like I said.
You can hear the artifacting this is creating right in the video! Crap algorithms!!!!!!! The only time you should be doing this is if you go and drop $800 on Waves' Z-Noise package and use that in Soundbooth; or you can learn to do it the right way with a decent plugin in Audition.

The auto Composer is not bad, I might start playing around with it.

Auto Composer? That is what I have said all along. Edius and Vegas would require you to buy SmartSound. It is hard to beat the CS4 Master Collection and Production Premium.

Shouldn't you have used AutoComposer before bad mouthing SoundBooth?

You do realize both SoundBooth and Audition have Parametric EQs? Many bass amplifiers and guitar amplfiers have parametric EQs. It is designed more or less to let a bass player or guitar player manipulate the sound better than a graphic EQ. It is not realy designed to take out unwanted sounds although it could. A parametric EQ would force you to guess at exaclty what frequency you need to cut and even then you would have to constantly guess as to how wide to make the sweep. Even a notch filter would leave you guessing and you could not control the range (Wide or narrow) like a spectral frequency analizer. I am willing to bet most folks will find the videos helpful in determining what SoundBooth can do. It can indeed offer a lot more than what your video link demonstrates. It is not wise to watch youtube hacks.


If you do not like Sound Booth that is OK but I think others may feel different. I have Audition 2.0 and the noise reduction works the same way as Sound Booth. You find a section of audio and capture a sound print. Keep in mind the guy in the video is not trying to get it 100% perfect but rather exagurating the effect so you can hear the difference.


Dustin,

I don't think Vegas or Edius offer the best solution but everyone has different needs. Like I said earlier Audition can tap into the other CS4 programs on the Windows side. If you notice the jerk in your video link is using SoundBooth on a Mac. Keep in mind even Premiere has more features on the PC side. I think this might help explain things a bit more. I am not 100% sure what SB on the Mac side can or can not do.