What are the cheapest videocams that offer 24p?
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Super Trooper
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the DVX
Leo7 said:I did a search on "24" and then "24p" and didn't find anything. This might be the first thread on the subject!
Oh, no. No, no, no, no, no, no . . . .
The search term was either too vague or brought back too many hits.
The new Canon HV20 offers 24p at the $1000 price point.
Super Trooper
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sweet deal.
Is there any word on if its any good?
Is there any word on if its any good?
Leo7 said:
24p is essential if you want the look of 24 fps film.
It doesn't give you the cinematic look all by itself -- you need to use cinematic techniques in lighting, composition, movement, design, etc. -- but it does exactly match the motion of 24 fps film.
If you were to shoot with standard video and use all the techniques professional cinematographers use, you'd end up with very pretty video. But it would still look like video, like a soap opera, like a game show.
But not with 24p. While only film looks like exactly like film, well-shot 24p will look amazingly like film. Regular video won't.
It can be "faked," as in, video can be converted to it, but at the expense of up to half your resolution.
So, if cinematic-looking video is what you want, you want 24p. And if you want 24p, you want to shoot it with a 24p camera.
I hope that's very clear.
David Jimerson said:24p is essential if you want the look of 24 fps film.
It doesn't give you the cinematic look all by itself -- you need to use cinematic techniques in lighting, composition, movement, design, etc. -- but it does exactly match the motion of 24 fps film.
If you were to shoot with standard video and use all the techniques professional cinematographers use, you'd end up with very pretty video. But it would still look like video, like a soap opera, like a game show.
But not with 24p. While only film looks like exactly like film, well-shot 24p will look amazingly like film. Regular video won't.
It can be "faked," as in, video can be converted to it, but at the expense of up to half your resolution.
So, if cinematic-looking video is what you want, you want 24p. And if you want 24p, you want to shoot it with a 24p camera.
I hope that's very clear.
Very informative, thank you! I know you've heard this a million times but I just want a clear resolution shot similar to that of actual films or television. I don't want my short films to look too choppy or out of synch when motion is involved. I don't want the film to look too much like video and like it's a home movie of some people pretending to act stuff out.
I feel like I want 24p for the film look but the DVX100 seems to produce a really choppy resolution with motion and has poor low light capabilities from the shorts I've seen with the DVX100. I guess it's as good as it gets though without spending a fortune.
Then those shorts you've seen were poorly-shot and didn't use the DVX to its capabilities. 
The DVX can and will produce stunning, breathtaking images if it's used properly.
"Low-light capability" is a red herring when it comes to using a camera for cinematic purposes; the amount of light you have on hand is completely under your control, and no camera on Earth will produce a decent image if you don't feed it light. If you think the image is too dark or too grainy, add more light.
If the camera (any 24p camera, or any regular video camera whose footage is converted to 24p) is moved improperly -- too quick on a pan, or a tilt, or a zoom, or on the dolly, or whatever -- then it's going to produce a strobing image. This is inherent with 24 fps footage, and will happen whether the camera is the DVX or a $250,000 Panavision 35mm film camera.
You will never, though, get the resolution of 35mm film with a standard-definition video camera. You will get ther resolution of TV, though, because TV is standard-definition. And in progressive mode, the DVX will produce a higher resolution than TV.
The DVX can and will produce stunning, breathtaking images if it's used properly."Low-light capability" is a red herring when it comes to using a camera for cinematic purposes; the amount of light you have on hand is completely under your control, and no camera on Earth will produce a decent image if you don't feed it light. If you think the image is too dark or too grainy, add more light.
If the camera (any 24p camera, or any regular video camera whose footage is converted to 24p) is moved improperly -- too quick on a pan, or a tilt, or a zoom, or on the dolly, or whatever -- then it's going to produce a strobing image. This is inherent with 24 fps footage, and will happen whether the camera is the DVX or a $250,000 Panavision 35mm film camera.
You will never, though, get the resolution of 35mm film with a standard-definition video camera. You will get ther resolution of TV, though, because TV is standard-definition. And in progressive mode, the DVX will produce a higher resolution than TV.