Wedding videography setup...help!

Paul_Maxe

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What are must have accessories for the dvx100a if I am going to be doing wedding videography?

Any suggestions on specific brands/models would be awesome!
 
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Hey Paul,
Welcome to the world of wedding videography! A lot of people dread doing weddings, but I actually enjoy them! Here's a few things that I consider essential.

1. A good tripod. I use a sattchler (it's an old one that was laying around work, and when I asked if I could use it they said no problem!) But do a search here on the forum and you'll find tons of tripod reccomendations...

2. Wireless Mic's! Two of them...One for micing the groom (his mic will pick up the bride's) and one on the wedding officiant (Priest, Minister, etc) How many camera are you going to be using? I use 3 and run those two wireless lavs in to one camera, then use the on camera for ambient sound to mix in, as the wireless lavs alone sound a bit strange by themselves. I own two samsung wireless lavs, but have heard great things about sennheiser too...

3. An on camera light. I use a NRG varilux dimmable light. I think it goes for around $220 without a battery belt. I borrow it from work as well. I'm looking at getting the C6 PAGLIGHT.

4. One of the most important things, is having a back up camera... Even if it's a cheap model, if something happens to your DVX (God forbid!) and you can't capture the most important day of their lives!!! You'll be saved by your backup camera!

5. UV filter, Extra batteries, (never know when one may fail... get 4 or 5..., extra batteries for your wireless mics, extra tapes, etc...

hmm.. well I can't think of much more right now, (It's still pretty early) But as I think more, I'll post more...

Vince
 
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Hi Vinnie03,

I'd love to read more of your tips for shooting weddings. You use 3 cams? Are they all DVX units? Do you move any of them as the ceremony progresses? Details Man, I must have details. :)

Best,

LHB
 
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LHB,
Right now, sadly I'm only using one DVX. Soon though, hopefully, I will up it to all three as DVX's. I'm using two sony DSR-200a DVcam cameras and my DVX. I use the DVX in 60i to match the 200a's durring the ceremony, but the reception I use 30P for the DVX with all the regular settings for the 24Pn. Does that make sense? If not I can clarify more, but basically the other than the framerate i use the 24pn factory settings.

As for moving the cameras around during the ceremony, it depends on the church really. Some places wont let you move, they say once the ceremony begins you stay put. Others don't really care what you do as long as you dont get in the way. The best thing to do is to attend the rehersal and ask the presider (priest, pastor, minister, etc) what is allowed and what is not allowed. Be reall nice! Offer a compliment on the church, etc. It goes a long way with these guys. You're really at their mercy.

If they do let you move, be as quiet and unnoticable as possible, nothing worse than seeing the bride or groom look over to see what you're doing.. The goal here is to get rid of the stereotypical wedding video guy who's annoyingly in the way. I attend the rehersal with my two camera guys, and we block out the shots, deciding one where and when to move as there will be no suprises then.

Hmm.. I'm trying to think of any other tips, etc.. Later when I get home, I will post some more if I can think of them..

Take care,
Vince
 
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Try www.videouniversity.com and go to the wedding and event videography forum. Very few people there use the Panasonic, but they are great with set up questions, basically anything you might need help with for wedding video. Have fun! P.
 
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Do you think I need the anamorphic adapter if I want to shoot in 16:9 for weddings? Will the quality loss in squeeze mode be an issue for wedding dvd productions? I am buying 2 dvx100a's and the anamorphic has a hefty price tag times 2.
 
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I'm just curious, what is the going rate for wedding videography these days? I know it depends on a number of different factors but, assuming you already have your own gear, how much do you make from an average sized wedding?

Disclaimer: I know there is not one answer but for those of you who have done it, give me some examples of what was involved and how much you got paid.
 
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[quote author=Paul_Maxe link=board=Links;num=1088625841;start=0#6 date=07/01/04 at 16:10:15]Do you think I need the anamorphic adapter if I want to shoot in 16:9 for weddings? Will the quality loss in squeeze mode be an issue for wedding dvd productions? [/quote]
I would say that trying to do a wedding with the anamorphic adapter is likely going to lead to lower quality footage than you'd get with squeeze mode. Weddings are run 'n' gun, low in low light, full of once-in-a-lifetime shots -- exactly where the anamorphic is going to give you the most trouble. Save that for dramatic productions, but for run 'n' gun, definitely squeeze will be easier.
 
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Depends on what type of circumstances you'll find yourself in. For close quarters a wide angle is always a nice thing to have, but wedding shooters have been knocking the DVX by saying you can't zoom in across the room or from the back of a church or whatever, so a wide-angle would complicate that.

I don't shoot weddings, so I don't know what particular challenges you'll face, I just know what I've seen at weddings I've attended, or the couple of 'em that I've done for friends. If you were to get a wide-angle, I'd definitely not get the Century .6, because you'll hate not being able to zoom all the way through. The Panasonic .8 is zoom-thru, but because it's thread-mount, it'll take a while to attach/detach. The Century .7 is probably the one to get, full zoom-through and instant on/off through the bayonet mount. But, again, the DVX lens is already pretty wide, so you may not need a wide-angle adapter at all. Depends on what you're shooting and how you shoot it.
 
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disjecta,

I typically get between $1500-$2500 (not counting expenses of course like hiring 2 additional camera operators) It depends on what the couple has in mind. I try to get them to go with the "whole package" which includes a pre wedding romantic video/interview, all day ceremony including getting ready at the bride and grooms houses before, all the way to the end of the reception. They get 2 dvd copies included then the cost is $20 per dvd set. (pre/ceremony/reception).
At first they might balk at the price, but showing them a sample of one of my past weddings with all the extras helps.

It's really suprising to me how many people are using old technology. I did a search in my local area (Detroit metro area) and a lot of people are still using 8mm! or SVHS! So when people say they have priced videos at $750-$1000 that us usually the case. People don't realize the work that goes into doing a 3 camera wedding. Also we have a great marketing advantage over most if not all of the other wedding videographers...We've got the DVX and all the great features it comes with...

Well i see I've run on a bit, but I tend to do that!

Vince
 
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Just a few quick thoughts:

I love wedding work. It appeals to my heart, personality, and has wonderful opportunities to shoot beauty, emotion, and to create beauty and preserve emotion.

If you are any good, your rate has to BEGIN at at least $1000. If you are just beginning and getting experience, you need to be fair, affordable, and above all, do not over sell yourself.  There is no re-doing missed vows or crucial moments in someone's life. Don't leave surprises for the bride and groom, explain you are new..and keep your rates reasonable due to that. If you are not a skilled shooter, for God's sake, practice, man. Everyday. Don't just buy the stuff, use it, know it, love it.

Even at starting at $1000, you are easily..LOSING MONEY, if you are delivering DVD. Read that twice.

I would say you don't need an anamorphic adapter for weddings, at least not now.  NO one is hiring a videographer because they want their wedding in 16x9..and 24 p----to include that.  They just want something clean, beautiful, etc...Unless you are really getting into very high dollar clients, I don't think you need this NOW.

Careful not to get a horrible blinding light.  I use a Cool-Lux SL3000. It diffuses beautifully. You can find much cheaper lighting options, but every bride I know wants to be lit with a soft light, and not a harsh floodlight.

As for the wide angle, I have a .6x Century Optics and LOVE it. I don't regret that it is not full-zoom through.  Now, that I have fallen in love with a lens adapter, I want another one, and am considering a telephoto. Do you really need any of these lens?  Your clients will NOT ask you about them..but you can TELL them you use them and how it makes your shots better than joe-blow. Will they even notice it? Not unless you tell them.

They will notice bad audio.  The division between the "uncle bob" vide-oa-togra-fer and a good one lies in the audio.  Invest in it. Lectrosonics, Sennheiser evolution series,

Where to spend more money?  Editing/DVD.  Of course thats another forum, but it is NOT CHEAP.  You MUST have a production monitor, in my view. SONY. Software, plugins..

From setup to delivery of a finished DVD..there is ALOT more to that than you could ever imagine, so research before you start blowing money and time pursuing wedding work. You should have insurance and backup equipment and reliable transportation.

If you serious about wedding videography, I suggest you join WEVA.
www.weva.com.  

best of luck- my advice ends there!
 
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I can always tell the experienced wedding shooters by the advice they give -- no doubt about it they've been through it. And that's why I have not jumped into this area full throttle. (I have helped friends who seemed happy with my work.)

One big question I have is about low light situations. Now we all know, whether we own a DVX or not, that it is not a superior unit for low light. The Sony VX2100 is far superior in this arena. The subject of supplimental lighting (for weddings and receptions) has been raised here, so a few questions:

Is the solution to use on cam, diffused lights?

How far can they reach?

Or/and should lights be positioned beforehand to illuminate the given areas?

The question of adequate lighting has been the prime bugaboo for my choice of a miniDV camera as well as if I want to get into weddings at all. Specific to weddings and receptions, what's the/your solution(s) to low lighting with the DVX and/or cams that need a little extra help lux wise?

Answers much appreciated,

LHB
 
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Hi there-

Tell your clients that you've got excellent cameras, but you do have limitations. If they want a dimly lit room, make sure they know everyone will be dark, but hey, that's natural! Explain what "noise" is and say that you'll do your best to reduce it. Learn how to diminish it in post. If they expect some darkness, they'll know exactly why.

now, after CYA-ing:

You can light the walls or background. hide them, or make sure they fit in with the scene. soft lights, umbrellas- If the decor really merits, it is totally worth it.

If you can't do that ( and geez, a lot of time, you don't have the time) --LIVE with it. Move. Shoot near a light or by a candle. INMHO, I think the lux on the DVX will work in pretty much all situtations. Don't understimate the DVX-- I learned that one time when the lights went down int eh room. I thought I had NOTHING because everything looked so dark in the viewfinder and LCD. Took the video home, and it held up very well.

If you must, put a on camera light on, by all means. Lots of options, I have a Sony HLV ? for those "must have light and fast" situations. This is not a fab looking light, but it throws far. During speeches or toasts in a dark room I use that. Stand at least 10 feet back, use a monopod or crouch.

With my Cool-Lux, I usually don't use it to throw far, but if I need it to go a bit farther, you can adjust the hood to expose more of the bulb.

with all that, plus a boom, you also definitely need a bracket of some sort.
 
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[quote author=Pookiehead link=board=Links;num=1088625841;start=0#12 date=07/01/04 at 19:09:48]
Where to spend more money?  Editing/DVD.  Of course thats another forum, but it is NOT CHEAP.  You MUST have a production monitor, in my view. SONY. Software, plugins..

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What do you mean by spending money on DVD? What do you use for editing? I have the money to invest...Any advice on what programs/equipment?
 
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The light plus the belt is not a bad option if look at how much each costs separately.



I will stress, there are cheaper options that will probably work out quite well. I have to have both lights around me because of that. you'd probably find one that does okay on each end..throw and fill.


I copied some talk on a private WEVA about lights: its all messed up because I had to delete names and biz.
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It's rather expensive but I was looking for a long life battery, adjustable light, camera mountable with no need to carry a heavy battery pack. This meets my needs.

www.litepanels.com


Looks like a killer light kit! I'd love to have those. But I just upgraded my cameras and don't have that much money to dish out at the moment.



Have you considered the 10/20 watt Sony light that a lot of people use with their PD150's? It has a switchable 10W and 20W mode (two 10W bulbs).

It uses the same batteries as the PD150/170, VX2000/2100 and DSR-200 which means it probably won't work with the batteries that power the DVX100.


I have a couple of weddings under the belt now using the Frezzi Micro-Fill on-board light. I use it with the Frezzi soft box and it's just been a great investment. It's dimmable from 35W, small, lightweight and lasts all night with the Frezzi shoulder battery. I've also noticed that it doesn't mess up the white balance when changing light levels. A solution for any camera in my opinion.


I've been looking at the Sony HVL-20DW2, I can get a whole set-up for $200. The Frezzi MRFKNP1 kit would be really sweet, but, being on a tight budget due to having to upgrade my camera sooner than expected, the $400 price tag, well, its a tough decision.

Here's a thought; I'm doing more and more non-wedding work. Do you Frezzi Micor-Fill users really think the extra $200 worth of ";usable"; features from the Micro-Fill in comparison to the Sony 10/20w?

that said, my back up, all round light is the
HVL-20DW2 sony several have mentioned. It is a pretty different kind of light. I try to put a gel on it or filter to soften it up. otherwise, it works well for when you are far from some one giving a speech or toast..you are are enough that they aren't squinting.and it does throw.

The difference in reaction from people exposed to the soft light and the Sony light is like night and day.

the problem for that purchase FOR YOU though, is that you need sony batts and charger..not cheap.


The Cool-Lux looks really nice. But there's no way I'm wearing a belt pack for a wedding shoot.

Still would like to hear from Frezzi Micro-Fill users. Is it worth the extra $200 over the 10/20watt Sony light?


I have the Frezzi Micro Fill light. I have not used it for a wedding yet, just messed around with it in my house, but I think it is going to be awesome. One of the things I noticed was that there were no shadows on the video I took and the colors were great. Nice even light as well.


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Editing systems:

I use Apple. For video you cannot go cheap on system, software, and storage.
Buy the fastest computer you can find at at affordable price. I love Mac. 'enuf said.

G5, monitor, production monitor, LOTS OF EXTRA STORAGE,

Final Cut Pro
lots of plugins ( boris, nattress, CGM, ....)
DVD Studio Pro

DVD printer. Don't use stickers they are a waste and lead only to disk failure and disappointemtn.
 
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Vinnie and Pookiehead,

Thanks for the info on fees...I thought I wouldn't get any responses to that because generally people are shy to divulge this kind of information.

Anyway, I appreciate it. I don't think I'll be going into wedding videography any time soon but it's still good to know.
 
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