video: Alzo 3000 LED fan noise when used as a backlight, snoot, and key light

A led's 50K hour lifespan is an approximation based on the die's thermal junction temperature of well below 85 degrees C. A led's usual specs when placed in their proper "binning" code is taken at 25 degrees junction, but that is like when the led is really "idling" at a low input current of say 350 milliamps. When that led gets up to full rated output, that junction temperature may get to 85 degrees C or possibly higher depending on the input current. Designers know all too well that heat above the junction limit will eventually destroy the led die and when it reaches that point is called thermal runaway. The led has only a few minutes of life left or perhaps seconds if the heat is not dissipitated fast. Thermal management is the prime consideration of leds, especially when dealing with a 100 watt emitter. The heat sink by itself and the given size constraints of the enclosure is not enough to allow passive ( no fan ) cooling, and therefore a fan of sort had to be used. If the heat sink, by very rough rule of thumb, is hot enough to be bearable, then that would look good. When it gets so hot as you can touch it for only no more than 2 seconds, then the led junction temperature may well be over 85 deg C. It is almost impossible to measure the led's junction temp as it is the area immediately below the die surface and over the supporting substrate. The design specs of that particular led will tell what that temp can be as the max. but trying to find the specs are slim at best. If your newly installed fan is doing the job at a marginal level, then perhaps the led will last more than 10K hours. You will definitely know for sure if within 50 hours of use at full power that the fan is adequate. At lower dim levels I don't think you will encounter any problems as the heat is logrythmically reduced by just throttling down the brightness just a bit. As an example, reducing the brightness by 25% may emit less than 50% worth of heat. Leds work this way and some led lighting MFRS know this and will only let the led go as far as 80% of their rated full potential. That extra 20% makes very, very little difference in perceived brightness but will require more heat to achieve, not worth it. You can do exactly the same by dimming just a wee bit. I would keep touching that heat sink at the warmest side and see if it reaches the point of getting too hot to touch. If you have to change the fan for whatever reason, the Sunon MagLev fans are tops in my book. I think DgiKey may stock them. They are known to be well made and silent.
 
Here is a chart of what to expect from a Sunon 92 mm fan 12 volts http://www.sunon.com/pro.php select DC brushless, bearing system ( leave unchecked), voltage 12

You can clearly see the low db sound level especially in the sleeve series at the bottom of the chart as well as the rpm and airflow.
 
Thanks Norman!

The Noctua is in a different league noisewise compared to the stock fan of the Alzo 3000. It's completely silent. Completely!
I guess there might be other fans that put through more air and still be much quiter than the stock fan, no doubt!


As I've posted, the housing temperature stayed consistant after 10 minutes, so I actually am pretty confident. Even if that reduced it's lifetime to 10K hours..that'll be 100 times more than what's needed :)
 
Thanks Norman!

The Noctua is in a different league noisewise compared to the stock fan of the Alzo 3000. It's completely silent. Completely!
I guess there might be other fans that put through more air and still be much quiter than the stock fan, no doubt!
As I've posted, the housing temperature stayed consistant after 10 minutes, so I actually am pretty confident. Even if that reduced it's lifetime to 10K hours..that'll be 100 times more than what's needed :)

Hello stip!

Very interested to see if the modification held up...any updates on this?

Thanks!
 
Hey guys,

yes it did hold up so far though I have to say it hasn't been used extensively.

cheers
 
Thx mate!

Has the light been on for more than 2 hours?

Yes. Chassis gets moderately hot on one side (like it did with the original fan too) but stays at that temperature after about 15 minutes without improving anymore no matter how long keeps running.
 
Yes. Chassis gets moderately hot on one side (like it did with the original fan too) but stays at that temperature after about 15 minutes without improving anymore no matter how long keeps running.

Thats great news, thx!
 
I just picked up the 3200 light and I'm also thinking of replacing the fan. Went so far as to take off one side of the external shield. I also build PC's, but I wanted to get Stip's experience on how much dissasembly is required. Looks like I need to remove both heat shields as well as the front mount to get access to the heatsink. Was there thermal compound to deal with as well? I assume we're looking at a 3pin fan connection, correct?
 
I replaced my share of fans trying to make my HMI ballasts quiet (LTM) as their original fans worked like vacuum cleaner. It IS an uphill battle as at some point there simply is not enough air flow. The circumstances matter too. After what appeared to be a successful conversion when the lights were ran for whole day they simply got too hot and would shut down - i was forced to replace the fan to the original loud version. What interesting is that sometimes with more quiet fans the sound gets LOUDER. It happens because the air pressure moving over components creates its own resonance - think of the time when you would imitate ocean liner sounds with empty bottle at the beach as a child. So i suspect the solution here is to accept that the light HAS a fan and thus can be used in circumstances that don't require perfect silence.
 
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