where the HELL did THAT come from, lol. right now i render using .avi set at "best". i want to dispaly it on my website as well as dvd home viewing...btw wheres the pixel ratio setting at i crop the **** out of it (height 250.0) and where should it be set? also i just opened the time line and checked it. IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE THAT IN THE TIMELINE! ARRRRRRGH. :takes deep breath: did i **** something up in the "capture" settings. i think i dicked with it once :-[ any help?
vertical stepping?
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Re: vertical stepping?
You've got a number of things going on this post.
First, vertical stepping -- did you use "thick" or "thin" detail setting when you shot? I'm guessing "thin" . . . if so, that's in your footage on your tape. You might apply an extremely slight blur to get rid of it.
OK, rendering -- don't bother with "best," for DV, "good" will do you fine.
As for file format, why .avi? Are you planning to run it through another encoding program like cleaner or Procoder? If not, it's the wrong thing to render out to -- especially for the web.
Think WMV for the web.
For DVD, use the MPEG-2 stream for DVD Architect. Remember you'll also have to render the sound as a separate AC-3 file.
As for the cropping, what are you trying to do? For either WMV or MPEG-2, rendering out as Widescreen should do the job for you, assuming you have all your clips cropped uniformly.
But give some more detail on your desired final product.
You've got a number of things going on this post.
First, vertical stepping -- did you use "thick" or "thin" detail setting when you shot? I'm guessing "thin" . . . if so, that's in your footage on your tape. You might apply an extremely slight blur to get rid of it.
OK, rendering -- don't bother with "best," for DV, "good" will do you fine.
As for file format, why .avi? Are you planning to run it through another encoding program like cleaner or Procoder? If not, it's the wrong thing to render out to -- especially for the web.
Think WMV for the web.
For DVD, use the MPEG-2 stream for DVD Architect. Remember you'll also have to render the sound as a separate AC-3 file.
As for the cropping, what are you trying to do? For either WMV or MPEG-2, rendering out as Widescreen should do the job for you, assuming you have all your clips cropped uniformly.
But give some more detail on your desired final product.
Re: vertical stepping?
i was in "thick". tape playback (dvx to tv) is puuurrrrfect. if not explain the "blur", but first read on....
gotcha on the "good"!
i'll try "WMV". i want product to be delivered through both web and dvd under the same render. is that possible?
Cropping- damn im addicted! i squashed the **** out of it. the footage was correctly shot (centered vertically wise) y'know just immitating that "widescreen" feel. What are u saying when u say "render out widescreen", i did render out that way once through different settings, but still, the same result. (did i miss something in class)
why render out widescreen when i cropped?
final product? damn, who knows? seriously, hi-def look, not this step ****. as we talk, im going to try some of your advice. it's a band/concept m.video. so far band has been shot. its not bad but "i" notice it, being a perfectionist along w/ my fellow forum-mates. clearly something's ****ed. ill keep screwing around w/ it. get back to me please....late
i was in "thick". tape playback (dvx to tv) is puuurrrrfect. if not explain the "blur", but first read on....
gotcha on the "good"!
i'll try "WMV". i want product to be delivered through both web and dvd under the same render. is that possible?
Cropping- damn im addicted! i squashed the **** out of it. the footage was correctly shot (centered vertically wise) y'know just immitating that "widescreen" feel. What are u saying when u say "render out widescreen", i did render out that way once through different settings, but still, the same result. (did i miss something in class)
why render out widescreen when i cropped?
final product? damn, who knows? seriously, hi-def look, not this step ****. as we talk, im going to try some of your advice. it's a band/concept m.video. so far band has been shot. its not bad but "i" notice it, being a perfectionist along w/ my fellow forum-mates. clearly something's ****ed. ill keep screwing around w/ it. get back to me please....late
Re: vertical stepping?
Try rendering to .wmv at the default template. Don't mess with anything. It should come out fine -- it might not be suitable for the web, but it least you can tell if anything is wrong.
Try rendering to .wmv at the default template. Don't mess with anything. It should come out fine -- it might not be suitable for the web, but it least you can tell if anything is wrong.
Re: vertical stepping?
should i post a grab? it's sooo strange. its hardly noticeable, except a few spots. (?) (e.g. the guitarists red bb cap) btw, in production "thick" IS recommended right? im not talking about the "film out" bullshit, just web and DVD, okay? like i said tho, i think it's something in the capture, because, the rough footage play back is sweet, but on the time line i still notice it. thanks david for your advice, but if i cant come up with something to fix it, fuk it. ill "throw up" some concept in front of the noticeable. anyone else care to share, or is everyone like me, just full of questions?????????? thanks...late
david, just did the .wnv default thing and it still turned up like nickalodeon slime...... :-/
should i post a grab? it's sooo strange. its hardly noticeable, except a few spots. (?) (e.g. the guitarists red bb cap) btw, in production "thick" IS recommended right? im not talking about the "film out" bullshit, just web and DVD, okay? like i said tho, i think it's something in the capture, because, the rough footage play back is sweet, but on the time line i still notice it. thanks david for your advice, but if i cant come up with something to fix it, fuk it. ill "throw up" some concept in front of the noticeable. anyone else care to share, or is everyone like me, just full of questions?????????? thanks...late
david, just did the .wnv default thing and it still turned up like nickalodeon slime...... :-/
TJIsACoolGuy
Active member
Re: vertical stepping?
Oh don't worry Kane, easy fix..... Use the chroma blur filter in vegas and step up both the horizontal and vertical to about 3...that should be enough to clean it up.
Oh don't worry Kane, easy fix..... Use the chroma blur filter in vegas and step up both the horizontal and vertical to about 3...that should be enough to clean it up.
scharky
Veteran
Re: vertical stepping?
Yeah, the chroma blur is an indispensable tool in vegas 5, I find myself using in quite often in everything that I do. I have come to find that the horizontal blurring is what realy gets rid of the stair stepping, verticle just smears it more, at least in NTSC, I have heard that in PAL it is the other way around. You need to be conservative witht this filter, and just put it as high as to when you can see the chromatic stair stepping dissappear. The higher you put it, the longer it will take to render. I usually set it to between 1-2 for most things, but have gone up to 3 for some extreme chromatic abberation. Good luck with your footage, and BTW this can also happen with extreme blues, but I havn't seen it on any greens, yet. I wouldnt apply it to the track, but would apply it to each clip that needs it.
Also, yes MID and THICK are reccomended for an NTSC display, but I find myself always shooting in THIN, just because you are losing resolution in MID and THICK, and it is always possible to lower the resolution of footage for flicker free NTSC dispaly, but you can't raise the resolution of footage.
Yeah, the chroma blur is an indispensable tool in vegas 5, I find myself using in quite often in everything that I do. I have come to find that the horizontal blurring is what realy gets rid of the stair stepping, verticle just smears it more, at least in NTSC, I have heard that in PAL it is the other way around. You need to be conservative witht this filter, and just put it as high as to when you can see the chromatic stair stepping dissappear. The higher you put it, the longer it will take to render. I usually set it to between 1-2 for most things, but have gone up to 3 for some extreme chromatic abberation. Good luck with your footage, and BTW this can also happen with extreme blues, but I havn't seen it on any greens, yet. I wouldnt apply it to the track, but would apply it to each clip that needs it.
Also, yes MID and THICK are reccomended for an NTSC display, but I find myself always shooting in THIN, just because you are losing resolution in MID and THICK, and it is always possible to lower the resolution of footage for flicker free NTSC dispaly, but you can't raise the resolution of footage.
Re: vertical stepping?
[quote author=scharky link=board=Vegas;num=1102893787;start=0#8 date=12/15/04 at 12:23:07]I have come to find that the horizontal blurring is what realy gets rid of the stair stepping, verticle just smears it more, at least in NTSC, I have heard that in PAL it is the other way around. [/quote]
It's because PAL and NTSC pixels are rectangular in the opposite directions (horizontal v. vertical).
[quote author=scharky link=board=Vegas;num=1102893787;start=0#8 date=12/15/04 at 12:23:07]I have come to find that the horizontal blurring is what realy gets rid of the stair stepping, verticle just smears it more, at least in NTSC, I have heard that in PAL it is the other way around. [/quote]
It's because PAL and NTSC pixels are rectangular in the opposite directions (horizontal v. vertical).
Barry_Green
Moderator
Re: vertical stepping?
They are, but the other main reason is because NTSC uses 4:1:1 color sampling, which gives you a color sample for every horizontal line, but only for every four pixels on the line (so you need to blur horizontally).
In PAL it's 4:2:0, which means you get twice as many color samples on horizontal lines, but no color samples at all on every other scan line. So you need to blur vertically in pal to get the color to smear across both scan lines.
They are, but the other main reason is because NTSC uses 4:1:1 color sampling, which gives you a color sample for every horizontal line, but only for every four pixels on the line (so you need to blur horizontally).
In PAL it's 4:2:0, which means you get twice as many color samples on horizontal lines, but no color samples at all on every other scan line. So you need to blur vertically in pal to get the color to smear across both scan lines.
XCheck
Veteran
Re: vertical stepping?
[quote author=scharky link=board=Vegas;num=1102893787;start=0#8 date=12/15/04 at 12:23:07]Also, yes MID and THICK are reccomended for an NTSC display, but I find myself always shooting in THIN, just because you are losing resolution in MID and THICK, and it is always possible to lower the resolution of footage for flicker free NTSC dispaly, but you can't raise the resolution of footage.[/quote]
How do you replicate the THICK in-camera setting in Vegas (i.e., what filter)? I've got some footage that looks great on a computer display but flickers on NTSC TV.
[quote author=scharky link=board=Vegas;num=1102893787;start=0#8 date=12/15/04 at 12:23:07]Also, yes MID and THICK are reccomended for an NTSC display, but I find myself always shooting in THIN, just because you are losing resolution in MID and THICK, and it is always possible to lower the resolution of footage for flicker free NTSC dispaly, but you can't raise the resolution of footage.[/quote]
How do you replicate the THICK in-camera setting in Vegas (i.e., what filter)? I've got some footage that looks great on a computer display but flickers on NTSC TV.
Re: vertical stepping?
FIXED!!! I luv u guyz :'(. another question. How Can i move and entire timeline all at once. ill explain: i have an intro for the song. in the song the intro stops for a breif second then band kicks in. i've already done editing for the band which is almost locked. How can i move the entire "VIDEO AND MUSIC" at the same time to allow the extra space needed, to be inserted for some additional material needed, without re-editing? much love!!!
FIXED!!! I luv u guyz :'(. another question. How Can i move and entire timeline all at once. ill explain: i have an intro for the song. in the song the intro stops for a breif second then band kicks in. i've already done editing for the band which is almost locked. How can i move the entire "VIDEO AND MUSIC" at the same time to allow the extra space needed, to be inserted for some additional material needed, without re-editing? much love!!!
Re: vertical stepping?
A couple of ways. You can click the toolbar button with the arrow in the dotted box, which will then allow you to select as much or as little of the timeline as you like. It will then all be grouped and you can move it as a group. If you hit "g" while it's still all selected, it will stay grouped. (Then select it all again and hit "u" to break the group).
Or you can use ripple editing. Whenever you insert or delete something, the entire timeline moves to accomodate it, one way or the other.
Something you might try is to edit your additional material in a separate project, then when you're ready to move it into your main project, open both projects at once, engage ripple editing in the main project, copy the timeline from the sub-project, and then paste it into where you need it to be in the main project. As long as you have the ripple ediitn set to affect all tracks, the timeline should adjust itself accordingly.
A couple of ways. You can click the toolbar button with the arrow in the dotted box, which will then allow you to select as much or as little of the timeline as you like. It will then all be grouped and you can move it as a group. If you hit "g" while it's still all selected, it will stay grouped. (Then select it all again and hit "u" to break the group).
Or you can use ripple editing. Whenever you insert or delete something, the entire timeline moves to accomodate it, one way or the other.
Something you might try is to edit your additional material in a separate project, then when you're ready to move it into your main project, open both projects at once, engage ripple editing in the main project, copy the timeline from the sub-project, and then paste it into where you need it to be in the main project. As long as you have the ripple ediitn set to affect all tracks, the timeline should adjust itself accordingly.