Vegas Pro 9.0b rendering to .mov crashes when clicking audio tab

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yabyum

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Anyone else had this? A google search showed some problems with .mov and audio but not particularly what I'm experiencing: when I render and choose .mov and go to the options, when I click on the audio tab the program crashes.

I'm running the 32-bit version on Win 7 64-bit. Rendering to .mp4 works perfectly.
 
Sorenson Video 3. It's the best looking imo out of the ones available... though I wish you could do h264 in a .mov wrapper.
 
Sorensen video 3? Dear God man, you're stuck in the 90s. There are so many better options available it's not even funny.

I was able to replicate this problem tonight. It happened when I had 30fps footage on the timeline and had a codec selected that did not support 30p.

If you want a list of codecs that look better than Sorenson, I can certainly help. What are you going to do with this footage? If it's just for display, then use jpeg2000. For a given bandwidth nothing in there is going to look better. Period. I use MjpegA for quick and dirty playback only stuff. If you need high quality, you can download Avid's DNxHD, or the AJA or Blackmagic codecs. These are all vastly superior to the included Sorensen codec.

-P
 
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. That would make sense, as I was rendering out to 30p. It would be for internet streaming... I'll look at DNxHD, AJA, and Blackmagic, hope they're free though.

I keep telling them (the clients) that .mov quicktime direct streaming sucks for websites and they should use a flash based player but it seems nobody listens :(
 
Streaming??? OMG, you don't want to use this stuff... it won't stream. Now I have to ask, when you say "stream" what server are you using to do that with? Streaming is VERY specific. Or do you mean progressive downloads? If these are going on a webserver, you aren't streaming. And in that case stick to the mjepgA.

The other codecs I mentioned are NOT suited for this purpose. The are editing or archival codecs of very high quality. And yes, they are free.
 
PerroneFord said:
Streaming??? OMG, you don't want to use this stuff... it won't stream. Now I have to ask, when you say "stream" what server are you using to do that with? Streaming is VERY specific. Or do you mean progressive downloads? If these are going on a webserver, you aren't streaming. And in that case stick to the mjepgA.

The other codecs I mentioned are NOT suited for this purpose. The are editing or archival codecs of very high quality. And yes, they are free.
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Not exactly sure but it's basically going on a website... like a consumer would go to the videos section and pick the video and it would play. This is probably a progressive download.
 
yabyum said:
Not exactly sure but it's basically going on a website... like a consumer would go to the videos section and pick the video and it would play. This is probably a progressive download.
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Yes, that is progressive download. You are right that Flash would be ideal. Or mp4 (what do they have against that?) would be easy and efficient. If it HAS to be in the .mov container, then mjpegA is a built in for quicktime and can make some VERY nice videos. The first RED stuff released used this codec.
 
Hey PerroneFord, not sure if I should be posting this here or in a new thread. just joined actually to respond to this. I'm having a similar crash problem, i'm shooting video with a Canon Rebel T1i, so the video files are in the .MOV container. They play extremely choppy on my computer, as well as in the editing software. as soon as i render my video edit to .avi, it plays as smooth as can be. However AVI doesn't work for vimeo or anything like that, and when i try to render to MP4, my computer just shuts down at some point during the render. same thing happens if i try to make it MOV render. Any ideas?? Thanks and sorry if this isn't the right place to ask.
 
Well, for the purposes of this thread, the actual issue with the crashing on the audio tab was a quicktime issue. The current version of quicktime apparently solves that one.

Your problem is likely different. Tell us a bit about your computer? OS, CPUs, RAM, Hard drive. Sounds like you're having some very different problems. Also, since Vegas leverages quicktime for all this, what version of quicktime do you have installed? Also, which version of Vegas specifically?
 
Vegas Pro 9.0.

Windows Vista 32-Bit
Intel Pentium Dual CPU T2390 @ 1.86GHz 1.87Ghz
3.0 Gig RAM
220 Gigabyte Hard Drive with 105 Gigs free

Quicktime version 7.6.4

I have noticed that the "performance" tab under Task Manager shows that the computer is at 98-100% CPU Usage when i'm rendering an edit. Otherwise its around 35%. running an average of 86 processes, but only Vegas has CPU usage next to it when it's rendering. the Memory under "Performance" stays right around 1.3 GB. My usual physical memory is 3061 Total, 1437 Cached, and about 650 free. when I try to render using Vegas, the free Physical Memory drops to 0 very quickly.
 
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32 bit Vegas 9 + long-GOP codecs = FAIL. I am STRUGGLING with this foolishness right now and I am walking on eggshells to finish this project I am doing because I need the MB Looks which only works in 32bit Vegas.

Your computer is seriously overmatched for doing this kind of HD work. My laptop is beefier and much faster and I wouldn't dream of trying to do full renders on it with a 32bit OS. The fact that your memory drops to near 0 free should be a tip-off.
 
Thats the best bad news i've heard in a while. at least now I know what the problem is. It was bothering me a LOT. so I pretty much need to completely upgrade my computing power in order to do videos like this? All i really want is to be able to put videos on Vimeo, any idea how i can do that with Vegas? because a 10 minute clip I've done renders fine in AVI, but its a 2.0+ GB file. which i can't put on vimeo.
 
The good news, is that if you render to AVI, you can put THAT on the timeline and you should be able to render out whatever you want.

Additionally, you may want to look at stopping a bunch of stuff from starting up when your machine boots to give you more room. I keep all unnecessary apps off my editing machine. And I do NOT surf the web on it.
 
I'll give that a shot, hopefully it works, because I have no money to put into a new computer that has the capability to do this rendering. I've had this laptop for about a year and a half, so it IS my web surfing computer, which is unfortunate I know when it comes to leaving a computer dedicated to editing. I just dont have that kind of money, being in college right now. The other option I thought of was to render to an external drive, so that its reading off of one drive and writing to the next, that would possibly reduce memory usage wouldnt it? or am i way off there.
 
Rendering to another drive won't save RAM, but will almost certainly increase performance. I hear ya on only having the money for one computer. So do yourself a favor. Clean it up as much as you can. Do a CLEAN install of your OS, and only install the bare minimum stuff. No games, only one web browser, etc. Disable services you don't need running.
 
PerroneFord said:
Well, for the purposes of this thread, the actual issue with the crashing on the audio tab was a quicktime issue. The current version of quicktime apparently solves that one.

Your problem is likely different. Tell us a bit about your computer? OS, CPUs, RAM, Hard drive. Sounds like you're having some very different problems. Also, since Vegas leverages quicktime for all this, what version of quicktime do you have installed? Also, which version of Vegas specifically?
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Hey again...my pc has 2 gb of ram, 3.2 GHZ speed and thats it lol. I think i need to get a graphics card and a dual core processor out in?
 
Londude said:
Really? how come? so just more RAM and put in a dual core?
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Vegas was built to scale on any hardware, so they never wrote code touse the GPU. Of course now that nearly every machine has one, and with AVCHD killing the CPU with instructions, they are re-thinking.
 
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