Value of no-offset Adapter
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Ryan Patrick O'Hara
Veteran
I would say that the offset flip modules do cause the camera rig to become a little more awkward, but I think once people get the extra set of rods, (or whatever they need) to make the new rig solid, it won't be a big issue anymore.
On top of that, many people like myself have become used to the image upside down and have monitors, LCD hack, or other means of compensating. Only the editor seems to care now and days. Buy him/her an extra pack of red bull and tell them to suck it up. ;-)
I think a NON offset flip would be best, but that is very tricky business. It's probably not worth the R&d.
My 2cents.
On top of that, many people like myself have become used to the image upside down and have monitors, LCD hack, or other means of compensating. Only the editor seems to care now and days. Buy him/her an extra pack of red bull and tell them to suck it up. ;-)
I think a NON offset flip would be best, but that is very tricky business. It's probably not worth the R&d.
My 2cents.
William_Robinette
Shallow Member
I am running a strait Brevis right now and although I am going to purchase the flip for it, I am absolutely NOT looking forward to having a big vertical offset.
And I hate the flipped image. It is a pain to deal with on set and I find looks unprofessional, especially when I am handing tapes off to someone else to edit. It's a world of compromises.
And I hate the flipped image. It is a pain to deal with on set and I find looks unprofessional, especially when I am handing tapes off to someone else to edit. It's a world of compromises.
Jason Adams
Section Moderator
The off set has been a bit annoying at first only because my current rod system didn't work. However, the good thing about these flip adapters is they are forcing all the accessory builders to come up with better riser blocks and rail solutions. In the end that benefits everyone to have a more versatile rod set, But it in the meantime it sucks to buy twice...But later I think we will all enjoy the innovations these Flips have brought to the Indie accessory Market.
Luis Caffesse
Admin
Personally I'd love to see an adapter with no offset.
Seeing some of these rigs with either the camera way up high, or the lens way up high makes me cringe sometimes... the whole thing just seems kind of unstable.
On top of that - ergonomically it would be much more comfortable to shoot with no offset.
At least I think so anyhow.
(i'm assuming here that you're talking about a no offset adapter that still gives you a right side up image)
If it's a choice between having a right side up image or having no offset - yeah, I'd take the right side up image and live with the offset
(like pretty much everyone is doing today).
But if I could have both - that would be awesome.
Seeing some of these rigs with either the camera way up high, or the lens way up high makes me cringe sometimes... the whole thing just seems kind of unstable.
On top of that - ergonomically it would be much more comfortable to shoot with no offset.
At least I think so anyhow.
(i'm assuming here that you're talking about a no offset adapter that still gives you a right side up image)
If it's a choice between having a right side up image or having no offset - yeah, I'd take the right side up image and live with the offset
(like pretty much everyone is doing today).
But if I could have both - that would be awesome.
Aerialsfilm M*
Well-known member
I agree with most here. It looks unprofessional on set. I would pay more for a flip-unit that would not rise the camera. There are tons of computerhackers, why can't anyone hack the camera to flip it? 
twocik23
Veteran
This is very possible, but the cost would be in a much higher bracket ($3000 - $7000). There are a few different prisms that can be fitted into a straight tube like unit. For the last 7 months I've research a prism called abbe-koening,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbe-Koenig_prism
The problem is the prism is not a stocked item, it's custom. They can cost anywhere from $ 600 - $3000 each depending on the coatings, grade, etc.., that's if you can find a company to make just one. Not to mention that the length of the unit will be somewhere in the 8" - 14" range *that's right the body being that long* , basically it would look more like a telescope not an adapter.
For the last 4 months I pushed and pushed to release the new ifocus 35mm adapter and have now gone back into R&D. Thanks to the guys at letus !!! Joke
:badputer:.
No it's about time we start with making the adapter with the right tools and correct imagery.
I plan to release three different types of adapters, but early next year. There's one thing we don't do is put out junk, so back into the lab. We started on a second design that we're prototyping at this very minute (ifocus 180°). I'll more info. for you guys soon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbe-Koenig_prism
The problem is the prism is not a stocked item, it's custom. They can cost anywhere from $ 600 - $3000 each depending on the coatings, grade, etc.., that's if you can find a company to make just one.
Not to mention that the length of the unit will be somewhere in the 8" - 14" range *that's right the body being that long* , basically it would look more like a telescope not an adapter. For the last 4 months I pushed and pushed to release the new ifocus 35mm adapter and have now gone back into R&D. Thanks to the guys at letus !!! Joke
:badputer:.
No it's about time we start with making the adapter with the right tools and correct imagery.
I plan to release three different types of adapters, but early next year. There's one thing we don't do is put out junk, so back into the lab. We started on a second design that we're prototyping at this very minute (ifocus 180°). I'll more info. for you guys soon.
Chenopup
Well-known member
I agree with most here. It looks unprofessional on set. I would pay more for a flip-unit that would not rise the camera. There are tons of computerhackers, why can't anyone hack the camera to flip it?
Up until most of these flip adapters, the proposed "king" was the P+S Technik - it looks exactly the same and has been on many and many "professional" sets.
of course I remember the days when I was laughed at by a news crew for using a then brand new XL-1 in the early days of DV when they swore it didn't look professional...
I would imagine if there were an inexpensive way to do a non snorkel flip, then it would be done. Probably pretty pricey and I'm sure out of most of our budgets.
cheno
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Have the the Letus Extreme. I am happily living with the offset, it's really not a big deal. The New Letus rods will let you use it high or low style so take your pick as far as if you are a LEX owner.
Even if you are shooting handheld, if you have the right setup (Zacuto or a DV Rig Pro), the offset is not really a factor. And I could give a crap how the rig looks, all that matters is that footage I hand over to the client. If it looks awesome, clients are happy. I think a lot of HVX owners worry about stupid looks too much, but that's just me.
Best,
Dan
Even if you are shooting handheld, if you have the right setup (Zacuto or a DV Rig Pro), the offset is not really a factor. And I could give a crap how the rig looks, all that matters is that footage I hand over to the client. If it looks awesome, clients are happy. I think a lot of HVX owners worry about stupid looks too much, but that's just me.
Best,
Dan
Agreed!
Looks or features that would be awesome but wouldnt change a fart in the wind as far as production value is concerned... but I still love u all LOL
Anyways, I also agree that the Letus Extreme looked a bit awkward to me in some of the early pictures/posts, but it looks rather natural on the end of my HVX in person. And the footage.. well, that looks great, and thats what its really all about (for me)
Merry Christmas!