Uprez Technique but SLUGGISH COMPUTER???

Rick Meyer

Rick Meyer

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Hey gang!

I went ahead and got PHOTOZOOMPRO to emulate Disjectas workflow and I have to say I am very impressed with the results. However, instead of considering my project to be 5 minute long footage, PREMIERE seems to be treating my project like 8,000 TIFF files. I've even rendered out the files so I have single sequences but my computer/Premiere is STILL way too slow.

2.8mhz
9800 Pro Radeon
1gig ram
120gig hard drive
72 raid 10,000 RPM hard drive (admittedly, I did not include this hard drive set up in my workflow for this project. I'm an idiot)

I am not sure if its just the nature of the beast/this program? Because it works on the principle of exported TIFF frames from your project into PHOTOZOOM PRO, then EXPORTED TIFF frames from PHOTOZOOM PROM to Hard drive, then Imported TIFF frames into Premiere 1.5.

I nested the sequences into other sequences so they are treated as 1 single clip then rendered. But, my computer is still not liking this very much. Normally, a 5 minute clip moves like butter. But this entire project is sluggish.

I have one master clip, I am in the processes of cutting between shots so I can re-edit this to music, but literally, after I make a cut, it takes about 15 seconds before I get the arrow to move my edit marker to the next point.

I think I've pretty much given all the pertinent info. If ive forgotten anything, please ask.

If anyone has a workflow suggestion to help me speed this process up, by all means, I am all ears! Maybe (and I didnt want to do this because it seemed unneccessary and time consuming) if I EXPORTED the sequences as individual AVI files then reimported them to edit?

Any ideas?

Thanks again gang!
Rick
UPDATE: ALSO, this is so sluggish I am having a hard time saving the project. Many times it crashes as Im saving it with an error telling me something occurred during the save and I need to use the SAVE AS feature and send off to another location. When this happens, I need to reboot and often lost a good bit of work in the process.
 
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8,000 tiff files is a lot for premiere to deal with...and unless you render it, you will probably not be able to scrub and edit very easily.
One thing you may have missed in Disjectas workflow...I believe he does the Uprez AFTER he is done editing! :)
 
If I were going to "uprez" a project either from the NLE or from an external program (like Photozoom) I would export the finished project as an uncompressed .avi then perform the "uprez" to the finished project. Trying to do this at the edit phase is certainly going to be very taxing to any level of hardware.
 
Ramjet1979 said:
I think that is your problem :)
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Ha! I know man but I just cant justify upgrading. I put this computer together 4 years ago this January and it amazes me that PCs (and Macs for that matter) haven't advanced by leaps and bounds yet. To me, its not worth upgrading and spending the 2.5K until the improvement is SIGNIFICANT! But, I am sure you are right...that its not helping...

Okay...as for the problem....you guys rock. Thanks again for pitching in and offering workflow advice. After sluggishly moving around my project and having crashes during saves I missed doing the obvious....

After I brought the uprezzed TIFF files into PREMIERE (taxing at this stage no matter what, I think), instead of STAYING in this project, I should have done what I eventually did.....I took each clip (there were 7) and made a sub-sequence for each clip...to NEST the TIFFS together into one continuous clip....Then, I brought all 7 continuous clips into one MASTER clip, to combine all 7 clips. I rendered my work area. FINALLY, I exported that as an AVI. Then, I got the HELL out of that slow jinxed overly-crash happy project and imported that 1.5gig AVI (NO DAMN TIFFS) into its own project. Voila.

She works so much better now. Like a dream. I mean, duh. Instead of working with 8,000 separate TIFF files, why not condense it into ONE avi file? I can't believe I missed it.

I solved it by trial and error and definitely by your comments gang. Thanks so much.

Rick
PS When I am through with this 3-5 minute clip, I'll post it for you for some feedback. Thanks!
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I know nothing of the program mentioned - PhotoZoomPro - but thought I would mention for what its worth, that uprezzing can be done very easily in After Effects.

Simply make a comp of the size frame dimension and length of your fully finished AVI , import it to the comp and out put as sequential tiffs/ tga / bmp.

It does a great job and has the benefit of all the tools avalable in AFX in the process.
 
Well, I use AE but never have tried to uprez any footage from the program. Also, I was under the impression that the uprez algorithm from PHOTOZOOM PRO works differently than the ADOBE products.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong?
 
Possibly it does but all I can tell you is that I uprezzed an SD tv commercial I had shot on my DVX102 to 2k files in 1:85 aspect ratio and output that to film prints for cinema projection. I was well pleased with the results.

How does one use PhotoZoom Pro , which looks like an application for stills to me.? How do you take an avi into it?
 
It seems to be an app for stills. Actually, its more of an app for TIFF frames from your footage. And, its not very friendly to projects more than 10 minutes long. Its very taxing on ANY computer.

However, so far I am pleased with the results. In a nutshell, you export your footage from your NLE (Premiere 1.5 for me) as TIFF frames. You then IMPORT your TIFF frames into Photozoom Pro. Then, you set it up to export it as TIFFS into a new program. Then, you import the TIFFS into Premiere.

This was the problem I was having....working with a large sequence of stills. However, once I rendered the TIFF sequence out from PREMIERE as an AVI movie and re-imported, all was well.

How does AE do it?
Rick
 
Simple : Take an avi into a AE New Comp (of the size you want) and render out sequential tiffs. I found it to be extremely fast and stress free on the computer.

Make New Comp
Import AVI
Render Queue with settings of choice (Seq. numbered tiffs)
Render

Of course you can give the avi any AE treatment / fx should you choose before rendering.
 
So, is that uprez technique work to alter the pixels when you export from AE as TIFF frames? Curious? If I can bypass PHOTOZOOM PRO..that would be great...

Btw, please click on the link and view the fall film to offer some feedback if you get a chance...
 
I am not sure what algorithm is used in AE. I judged my result on a cinema screen so have no scientific way of working out what or how is was done by the software.

I can also suggest another up rez application you may want to try.

Instant HD from Red Giant. ($99 USD) It definitely has an algorithm that operates at a pixel level.

I have it but have not done an out put to 35mm film print because no opportunity has arisen yet.
 
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