United 93

cygnet74 said:
pardon my french, but what an asshole! he takes Loose Change's flawed speculation at face value while attacking United 93 for dramatizing the unknowable? what a dick.
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Are you saying he's wrong in his review ? or just being a hypocrite ?
 
there in lies the rub

there in lies the rub

cygnet, you could not have put it more succinctly. greengrass has dramatized the unknowable. that is the problem with this film. covering this emotional and tenuous subject matter at this time in this way is questionable at best. it is quite clear that smithey has an agenda. that being said does it not go for greengrass and universal as well?
 
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bukojack said:
cygnet, you could not have put it more succinctly. greengrass has dramatized the unknowable. that is the problem with this film. covering this emotional and tenuous subject matter at this time in this way is questionable at best. it is quite clear that smithey has an agenda. that being said does it not go for greengrass and universal as well?
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well, i don't think that dramtizing true events with unknowable details is something you can "fault" the film or filmmakers for. yes, for some this may be coming too soon, but that is altogether unrelated to the process of making a docudrama. the decision to buy a ticket and submit yourself to the experience greengrass has constructed is a personal one. no one should be so presumptuous as to tell anyone else they aren't ready for it.

i see a big difference between pushing a movie with a sensitive topic that you want to sell tickets to, and pushing an insulting, flawed conspiracy theory.
 
cygnet74 said:
a hypocrite with a clear agenda.
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One thing's for sure. The debris from that crash was strewn over 8 miles and half the people in Shanksville think it was shot down. One of the engines was found 2 days later "in tact" far enough from the crash site that hundreds of FBI agents took 2 days to find it.

The other thing we know is that the first fighter jets to scramble on 9-11 did so at 8:45 am... but none got to Flight 93 over an hour later and only 10 minutes from Washington D.C.?

I actually happen to believe the military performed a lot better than indicated. And thank God.
 
Mr. Smithey may very well be "pushing an insulting, flawed conspiracy theory"

He does this on page 3 or 4 of the Rotten Tomatoes website.

Mr. Greengrass and Universal may very well be pushing an insulting, flawed conspiracy theory.

They do this at every multiplex across America.
 
bukojack said:
Mr. Smithey may very well be "pushing an insulting, flawed conspiracy theory"

He does this on page 3 or 4 of the Rotten Tomatoes website.

Mr. Greengrass and Universal may very well be pushing an insulting, flawed conspiracy theory.

They do this at every multiplex across America.
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Tread lightly on "conspiracy theory" talk, people. -- whether pushing it or decrying it. This thread has done well in keeping it in check, so let's not ruin it.
 
David Jimerson said:
Tread lightly on "conspiracy theory" talk, people. -- whether pushing it or decrying it. This thread has done well in keeping it in check, so let's not ruin it.
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yes this thread has done well to all great posts i started this thread a while back and now the movie is out and i'm going to see it today and i hope it turns out good
 
Just watched it, SPOILERS!

Just watched it, SPOILERS!

WARNING: SLIGHT SPOILERS!!!

Ok, I just got back from seeing United 93 and here's my take on the film:

For starters, it is incredibly powerful. Whether you think it's too soon or not soon enough, this film holds some cinematic weight behind it. The style may be hard for some to digest, very much handheld and immersed in the passengers/air traffic controllers world, but it is clear and concise. I was very weary about it playing out in real time, but Greengrass and crew executed that perfectly.

There is a scene towards the end, in which people on United realized the plane was a suicide mission. The camera was at eye level with the passengers in their seats as they recited the Lord's prayer. It moved from passenger to passenger while each reflected in their own way. Then it cut to the hijackers praying in Arabic, then back to a passenger, then to a hijacker, then it smoothly and naturally transisitoned out to people talking to their loved ones. I thought that was the denoumant of the film. Breathtaking!

Every American, every person in this world can watch this film and say this or say that. There is a ton of criticism it can, and probably will, endure, but in the long run 9/11 wasn't an event about governments, politics, religon, war, peace, love, hate...it was an event about people. People coming together, people and their convictions. There convictions to crash a plane, or their convictions to storm a cockpit. People made that day, people died that day, and this film demonstrates that in the most pure way a movie of this accord can do. I have respect for that.

On a closing note, I was brought to tears at the end. When I got up to leave, my girlfriend realized her hand was hurting from me and her clenching them together so tightly. My view on 9/11 has forever been changed by this film.
 
I just got back from the movie about an hour ago and I couldn't agree more with everything that Oneinfiniteloop said. It is an extremely emotional film and I was almost brought to tears several times during and at the end of the film. I would recommend it to everyone.
 
I am very happy to hear it is moving people, and reminding us all of what happened that tragic day. I am seeing it tomorrow.
 
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