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How would you go about getting shots to look like this?..........besides millions of dollars....

A: The composition moves the eye from left to right/top to bottom diagonally, reinforced by darkness & smoke
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B: nice rim lighting and the blocking helps reinforce the power difference in this room
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C: the composition is strong, the lighting for night is classic
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D: a classic Hollywood Star Shot, they still make them
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E: This picture alone speaks about the epic conflict of heroes, the scale is impressive
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mes en scene...everything, especially the lighting. Ideas?

The cinematography/ story/ art direction etc... reminds of the classic Hollywood epic. I'm sure the old timers would smile & approve. It's nice to know that the classic tradition carries on as new styles join in.
 
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Mes en scene - that's it really, to me at least. When I see really gorgeous images like this, I first see the lighting, but then when I look at them further I see how important the art direction is. I mean what you light is as important as how you light it, no? To my mind the two should go hand in hand, not only to create a beautiful and coordinated image, but also to direct the eye and propel the story.
 
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Everyting is right what the people before say BUT: Don't 4get the post! Today, ANY shot is corrected, adapted and that is/makes a huge difference to the starting material.

besides millions of dollars....
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hehe.. much more millions of dollars!!!

It's nice to know that the classic tradition carries on as new styles join in.
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hehe... 100%!!!
Today, the "old style" comes back as a "new style" becaus a lot of people don't know how fu*** hard it is to make/composit ANY picture in this style.

A very good friend of mine is a 55 year old gaffer from Prague. He works there a long time for the Barandov Studios and for many Hollywood productions there. He say that if he hear that the director/DoP says, that he want to use a lot of given light, than he knows that is a "very reasonable" production. ;)

All these "given light" or "Blairwich Project-Style"-Productions comes out of one reason: NO millions of dollars....

Hey, I dont want to say that you can't make good an cheap movies but if you want pictures in that style you are showing here, you need a little more money.
 
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But regarding the lighting, it can be done. There's no excuse for bad lighting except a lack of care being put into a production, or LITERALLY no money being put in. If you have enough money to buy home depot lights, tin foil, and maybe some black bristol board, you can come up with really nice looking images. It may take longer to set up, and your set may look like crap, but your images won't.
 
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you should see the Lord of the Rings apendices... you'll be amazed how much colour grading changes the picture.
The raw footage looked terrible, but after colour grading, it suddenly had more depth and lively colours, as well as that "aura" feeling
 
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You can tweak considerably in post, but there are a bunch of 53' trucks full of electrics and grip with a crew of dozens to operate it behind each of the shots you posted. There's no cheat or workaround for proper lighting.

On the 35mm "single-camera" network show I was on, we had electrics pre-rig and shooting crews out there twelve to sixteen hours a day to get the look they wanted. Huge effort and money was lavished on art direction, set construction and decoration to give those guys something interesting to light.

It's was simply day-to-day business to gel hundreds of square feet of window for color correction, black-out complete practical locations for better light control and have full sets built on stage for light continuity and sound control.

Being on a feature or network film show is a real eye opener when it comes to seeing how they get "the look".

It starts with what seems a simple set-up, and fifteen minutes later there are twenty fixtures and two dozen pieces of grip equipment to trip over! When the camera is rolling, you finally have a chance to see the cumulative effect of each fixture on the subject and set - that's when you realize what a true artist a professional DP can be.

Features are the same - only bigger.
 
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I've been on many feature sets too and yes there is a bunch of trucks, gear of all sorts and people milling around & its a good idea to make sure they don't get into one of your shots! Each setup should have a move plan that affects the entire location.

What impresses me with TROY is the dedication and extent these film makers went to craft such a look. The time it took to storyboard, design the props and build everything is spectacular. And this is done many times each year to some degree just for a few seconds here & there of screen time.

The day shots are out in the hot sun of either Malta or Baja Mexico. I didn't see any reflectors, etc... just raw sunpower. I like the composition. These shots are pretty much random shots I picked.

This set and the "Gangs of New York" set are impressive to say the least and really sell the picture. Too bad they aren't saved.
 
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My hat goes off tho the Crew os TROY. The went threw a lot to get that look. If they can do it we can to.
 
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This is a terrible movie. It is an old studio flick plagued by too many stupid actors who think they're good. The cinemetography was only impressive to fans of the studio system and old school American cinema. Any clown who took a workshop on cinema and mis-en-scene could have shot that movie--no innovation what soever. Also the only worthy actor in the entire thing was Brad Pitt as Achilles. Thanks.
 
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Don't mince words, Revsta, what do you really think...?

It's true that "Troy" was a ponderous, badly-timed, overblown silly mess. But, it was thoroughly outstanding work on the parts of all the professional craftspeople. They're not responsible for the general crappiness of the writing...
 
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The only worthy actor was Brad Pitt? THis was one of the more miscast roles in the history of cinema. Brad Pitt playing achilles in a period epic; too funny.

I thought the rest of the cast was great; Julian Glover, Brian Cox, Brendan Gleeson, Peter O'Toole, Eric Bana and Sean Bean.

I think the fault of this film was the way it was shot (going back to the studio way). I would have liked to have seen a more contemporary approach ala Gladiator.
 
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I thought it was a great movie...if anyone out there has something even close to this that you've made or know about provide a link to it.

For me, the images speak for themselves, the adaptation of the orignal text created good entertainment, good enough to eat popcorn to. This movie is crafted in the old classic tradition not the latest flavour of the month style.
 
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I thought it was a pretty cool flick; I have no idea why EBERT considers this one of the worst of the year; Im a sucker for a period epic anyway.
 
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Any clown who took a workshop on cinema and mis-en-scene could have shot that movie--no innovation what soever.
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well, ...try it Revsta, or show us your innovative work! ::)
 
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