tick tock, Hollywood.......tick tock.

Rosestar, your original post was hostile and that's why I replied, no hard feelings and I hope you don't feel offended here either...

I've seen most movies you named and I like them all as well. Safe to say we have both seen good movies and we have similar tastes and feelings about what we like and why. Sure I like the occassional "dumb action" flick, if it's done well, but I typically go for the "thinking" movie, something that effects me the same way as you describe when I walk out of the theater and for days/weeks/years afterwards.

People complain about this stuff with music too, when they take the "their first album was the best and they've made nothing but crap since" attitude. And my uncles and grandparents have said to me for years "music now is terrible, I can't understand a thing they're saying". Jeez, makes me laugh but there's quite a parallel here to your rant, don't you think?

Yeah you love movies from your youth, so do I, so does everyone, but you're not getting that same movie experience anymore because you're not a teenager anymore and you're not all wide-eyed, inexperienced, and naive about everything like you were back then. You have decades of art as reference, and that's why you aren't seeing your first movie anymore for the first time. Blame it on time and age, blame it on your history of movie-going, just don't blame it on the movies. You gotta keep an open mind man.

As a future filmmaker I believe in movies as a continuing art form, otherwise what the heck is the point if I had no hope in modern day cinema? Don't blame filmmakers because you aren't a child any more, seeing your first starship. Because there ARE great movies made every year, and there will continue to be. Head over to the "Film Discussion" section of this forum for youself and you'll see filmmakers young AND OLD finding current movies to love. John Hudson recently asked in a thread what movies were good from 2004, here is my list from JUST THAT YEAR:

2046, The Aviator, The Bourne Supremacy, Closer, The Motorcycle Diaries, Garden State, Finding Neverland, Maria Full of Grace, The Machinist, Mean Creek, Primer, Spider-Man 2, Undertow, Team America: World Police, Shaun of the Dead, Birth, Man on Fire

LOL, or just stay home, watch your collection of movies from the 60s and 70s over and over, maybe even find a good AM radio station to listen to, prop your grandchild on your knee, give em a Werther's and tell him about the good old days and how things were so much better when you had to walk to school ten miles everyday without shoes in a snow storm. :laugh:
 
the-lyons-den.com said:
Rosestar, your original post was hostile and that's why I replied, no hard feelings and I hope you don't feel offended here either...

I've seen most movies you named and I like them all as well. Safe to say we have both seen good movies and we have similar tastes and feelings about what we like and why. Sure I like the occassional "dumb action" flick, if it's done well, but I typically go for the "thinking" movie, something that effects me the same way as you describe when I walk out of the theater and for days/weeks/years afterwards.

People complain about this stuff with music too, when they take the "their first album was the best and they've made nothing but crap since" attitude. And my uncles and grandparents have said to me for years "music now is terrible, I can't understand a thing they're saying". Jeez, makes me laugh but there's quite a parallel here to your rant, don't you think?

Yeah you love movies from your youth, so do I, so does everyone, but you're not getting that same movie experience anymore because you're not a teenager anymore and you're not all wide-eyed, inexperienced, and naive about everything like you were back then. You have decades of art as reference, and that's why you aren't seeing your first movie anymore for the first time. Blame it on time and age, blame it on your history of movie-going, just don't blame it on the movies. You gotta keep an open mind man.

Don't blame filmmakers because you aren't a child any more, seeing your first starship. Because there ARE great movies made every year, and there will continue to be. Head over to the "Film Discussion" section of this forum for youself and you'll see filmmakers young AND OLD finding current movies to love. John Hudson recently asked in a thread what movies were good from 2004, here is my list from JUST THAT YEAR:

2046, The Aviator, The Bourne Supremacy, Closer, The Motorcycle Diaries, Garden State, Finding Neverland, Maria Full of Grace, The Machinist, Mean Creek, Primer, Spider-Man 2, Undertow, Team America: World Police, Shaun of the Dead, Birth, Man on Fire

LOL, or just stay home, watch your collection of movies from the 60s and 70s over and over, maybe even find a good AM radio station to listen to, prop your grandchild on your knee, give em a Werther's and tell him about the good old days and how things were so much better when you had to walk to school ten miles everyday without shoes in a snow storm. :laugh:
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You say that you've seen the movies I've listed. On video no doubt. All the movies I listed, I saw first run in the theatres.

2046, The Aviator, The Bourne Supremacy, Closer, The Motorcycle Diaries, Garden State, Finding Neverland, Maria Full of Grace, The Machinist, Mean Creek, Primer, Spider-Man 2, Undertow, Team America: World Police, Shaun of the Dead, Birth, Man on Fire
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Let me just ask you, did you go to the theatre to see all these movies?

I have seen all of those movies also. The Aviator, The Motorcycle Diaries, Garden State, and Man on Fire, I saw in the theatre. The rest I rented and watched.

The point is what is going to get us out to the theatre. I have been blessed to have lived close to selective theatres. This has changed and now I am at the mercy of the chain cineplexes. It sucks.

You have a real smart mouth and I am going to forgive that. You just do not know what you are talking about. I just do not believe you understand the changes in movies since 1975. That's OK, call me an old fogey or what ever. I feel sad for you. I experienced something new, something wonderful and I am not sorry for wanting it to continue. If you are satisfied with the current state of movies, my only remark is that you are part of the problem. But, I do not blame you, you just do not know any better.
 
Rosestar, I get what you're saying. I have the majority of your favourite films on DVD. Bear with me. What about the other 90% of movies you've seen over the last 30 years, did they fit the profile you've determined for a 'good film' and furthermore, have you compared these pinnacle films to your father's favourite movies from the midbeginnings of cinema in the 40, 50's, and even further back? Don't get me wrong, you list some great films, but there are others. Some of them probably before your time and that you couldn't care less about. There's nothing wrong with that.

A renowned NYC lighting designer you have not heard of once told us that since the beginning of entertainment (presuming Greek plays or earlier) there had been no new stories, only different ways of telling the same stories. That fact has not changed recently. There are no new stories, only different ways of telling the same stories. Really, Dave, think about it. What amazing film from the 60's or 70's was so new and original in the storytelling world? Name one, and better do some fact checking first. It's not a challenge more than it is making a point. Ya know? Films from my teenage movie going years are different than yours, no doubt.

But, to say the reason for people going to theatres less often is because movies being made 'today' are awful is complete nonsense. Or, because 'independent' cinema is taking over the world? Baloney. If theatre attendance is down it's because home movies are up, do you disagree?
 
I'll be the bothersome bystander here and chime in for a sec with my opinion.

"If theater attendance is down it's because home movies are up..."

I have to consider that statement, but it brings me back to this point: People, in general, make decisions on whether to go to the cinema to see a movie or whether to rent for home viewing based on how good they think the film will be. How many times have I heard "Its a decent movie, but wait for it to go to video"? People make the distinction between what they consider worth paying for in the bigger cinema release, and what is visually ok for the small screen. By and large, the better movies will be seen on the big screen. So, in my opinion, if theater attendance is down, it is the draw that is substandard in the minds of the paying public.

Even my mom, who is NOT a movie afficionado by any stretch of the imagination, has made the statement that "They just dont make anything original anymore. Doesnt anyone know how to write stories anymore?"
 
Rosestar said:
You say that you've seen the movies I've listed. On video no doubt. All the movies I listed, I saw first run in the theatres. Let me just ask you, did you go to the theatre to see all these movies?
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Oh man, come on here. I was born in 1977. I have seen these movies. Your argument was that I should see movies made before I was born, now it's I should have actually seen them at the theater before I was born. Give me a break. Now you're into some odd pissing contest that you have seen movies before I did, well great, you win.

Rosestar said:
I have seen all of those movies also. The Aviator, The Motorcycle Diaries, Garden State, and Man on Fire, I saw in the theatre. The rest I rented and watched. The point is what is going to get us out to the theatre.
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I do get out to the theater. I also rent as well. But I see everything I can at the theater, normally going once a week at least except during the dry periods. So I do get out to the theater.

Rosestar said:
I feel sad for you. I experienced something new, something wonderful and I am not sorry for wanting it to continue. If you are satisfied with the current state of movies, my only remark is that you are part of the problem.
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Don't feel sorry for me, there's no reason for it. And because I can maintain a level head and sense of humor about all this doesn't mean I have a "smart mouth". I experienced and continue to experience these "wonderful" things same as you once did. The difference is I haven't lost that feeling just because I am not a child anymore. Those movies from 2004 that you saw, did you like them? Or were they all terrible because you didn't see them as a young boy?

More families are staying home to watch movies because of the price per movie and for home theaters. It's $3 versus $15-50 a night depending on the size of the family involved. And that's not rocket science. It all comes down to the dollar. And believe it or not "Rosestar" they are renting modern movies, not just the ones from your heyday, and they are enjoying them both.

Because a good movie is a good movie, its all about how the story is told, not when it was made.
 
You know what I miss? The Drive-In Theater. No drive-ins around here. Sad. That used to be so much fun. How about everyone else? Are there drive-in theaters where you are living?
 
Those Drive-In screens were huge! And with todays FM transmitter reception, the sound would be kickin!

Not to mention, the food tasted better and the crowds were more social and friendly.
And the intermission cartoon with the the dancing food. That flipping hot dog!

Ah, somebody bring them back! :)
 
We have a drive-in. Its called the Playtime and it used to show XXX movies. But now, they show regular new releases. I saw Shrek 2 there with a bunch of people from work. It was hot as hell, sitting in a beach chair, swatting mosquitoes and just hoping none had landed on and subsequently gotten stuck to the subway sandwich I brought to eat. Then the radio we had crapped out, so we had to listen to the crowds' radios around us while the redneck family sitting next to us on the grass cussed their son, Cody, out for not eating the damned cheetos he just HAD to have. If I had been in a regular cinema, and anything near the equivalent of that was going on, I'd be writing this on my free time in prison. :grin:
 
Wait a second.

A Drive-In that showed XXX? The Vin Diesel Film? No serious; Porn Films? Outside? What the...................?
 
Yes, porn on outdoor screens (there were two screens) I know, I know.... I never understood it either. But they gave out the cutest keychains of two people doing the uhm, rhumba. heh! Or so I was told..... :happy:

Neat story about our drive-ins, but here is a quote:


A milestone was reached in 1986, when the lights finally went off at the Fox Drive-in on Normandy Boulevard, on the Westside. It was the last of Jacksonville's outdoor theaters to play general features, that is, mainstream movies. Still in operation was the Playtime Drive-in, located on Blanding Boulevard, also on the Westside. It used to run only adult films, but times have changed. Nowadays, the Playtime features first-run flicks that aren't X-rated. It is the last remaining drive-in in Jacksonville, and one of only about ten in Florida.
 
I didn't even realize you were in Florida.

I have family (and spent time living) in Lakeland, FL. Also have family in Winterhaven, Lake City, Plant City and some other places. I remember the Drive-In's we used to got in High School.

I just looked it up;

http://www.silvermoondrivein.com/home.html

A blast from my past. Here is a "" from the website

Silvermoon
named
One of
USA Today's
"10 Great
Places
to Cuddle"

:thumbsup: :laugh: Yeah. I remember those days. Sigh.....................

Drive-In's kick ass. I have childhood memories (Not in FL at this time) of being cuddled up with a sleeping bag on a lawnchair outside on a summer night; watching Dawn of the Dead, Halloween, Jaws, Carrie, Texas Chainsaw..........................................

Good times.
 
In 1982 I saw a drive-in double-feature (first time seeing either film) of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" and "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan." Fans of the first may not appreciate the second, but fans of the second ALWAYS appreciate the first and agree that it was just a KILLER double-feature.

That's in hindsight, of course. No one knew at the time.
 
Jubal28 said:
I have never before in my life seen someone quote Peter Tork.

Now, I can’t say that.
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:laugh:

Peter's cool. Good guitarist...not crazy about the singing, though (too precise in the diction...drives me crazy).

As far as the advice...I agree..and wish I had heard it/followed it way back when. So far, my day job has consumed 21 years of my life.

Meanwhile, my co-conspirators, who started out just like me, have gone on to stage, screen, and now books.

I screwed up. I'm attempting to correct the error.

Dan
 
I'm not the ST Fan and I did see Khan in theatres and did not appreciate it; but now? Yeah, I can appreciate that combo. That would be cool.
 
There is something great about seeing a great picture in the theater - my personal favorite is the AVCO Westwood. The Bruin is amazing too. I saw Raiders, E.T., T2, Jurassic Park, The Abyss, Patriot Games, Broken Arrow, True Lies and Far and Away on these screens.

These movies were absolutely made for deafening 70mm exhibition in TAP-conforming theaters.

It has been a while since I put very much importance on seeing any movie in such an environment. Almost every house has done away with union projectionists in favor of 17-year olds who will do the work for minimum wage - usually with less than stellar results. Ten dollars is too expensive for a ticket and astronomical concession sales do little to help the cause.

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John_Hudson said:
Wait a second.

A Drive-In that showed XXX? The Vin Diesel Film? No serious; Porn Films? Outside? What the...................?
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We had a porn drive-in around here, we'd almost break our necks when we were kids driving by it :laugh: Our parents would take us to the mall in the next town and that was the high point for me and my friends. We'd giggle like stoned cheerleaders if we saw ANYTHING :grin:
 
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