the sound of ten guitars

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Bruce Morgan

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I have the following equipment
with which to achieve this scene
in which ten guitars acustic are playing .

Id like some advice on mic postion
Here is the equipement
Akg ck 22 omni directional
akg ck1 cardiod
akg ck8
akg ck9
audio technica at 798 short shot gun
Two shock mounts
and one sound stand
and one wind zepplin
We are going to be in an exterior setting and wind is a possiblitly
we are using the dvx 100a as the recorder for sound as well as the camera for picture in 24p advanced mode
any advice is much appreciated
Thanks
 
With that equipment available only I'd use the ck1 and ck8 spaced across the group. If you have a semi-circle of players I'd normally use two cardioids but a hyper and cardioid should still work okay. How tight will the group be? Will they be in any kind of arrangement or just down a straight line? Are you concerned about mono compatibility on a standard TV or do you want to prioritize a stereo soundstage?

If it were a large ensemble of players over an entire stage then I'd devide the stage into thirds and place the mics evenly (third-mic-third-mic-third)... and since the ck1 is cardioid give it a little bigger bite to cover then the hyper. Also since the hyper will have a little more reach and tighter pickup I'd put the best 1 or 2 players on axis of that mic (if it was a flashlight it would shine on the best players).

Finally the cardioid will almost totally reject sound to the rear and the hyper will grab a small bubble of sound to the rear... so setup the total arrangement with that in mind too... (traffic, small children, whatever else may be straight off the tail of the mic).

The wind part is your baby to handle... that's another topic altogether. The bottom line is you should have good windprotection on any mic that's to be used outdoors.
 
MattinSTL said:
With that equipment available only I'd use the ck1 and ck8 spaced across the group. If you have a semi-circle of players I'd normally use two cardioids but a hyper and cardioid should still work okay. How tight will the group be? Will they be in any kind of arrangement or just down a straight line? Are you concerned about mono compatibility on a standard TV or do you want to prioritize a stereo soundstage?

If it were a large ensemble of players over an entire stage then I'd devide the stage into thirds and place the mics evenly (third-mic-third-mic-third)... and since the ck1 is cardioid give it a little bigger bite to cover then the hyper. Also since the hyper will have a little more reach and tighter pickup I'd put the best 1 or 2 players on axis of that mic (if it was a flashlight it would shine on the best players).

Finally the cardioid will almost totally reject sound to the rear and the hyper will grab a small bubble of sound to the rear... so setup the total arrangement with that in mind too... (traffic, small children, whatever else may be straight off the tail of the mic).

The wind part is your baby to handle... that's another topic altogether. The bottom line is you should have good windprotection on any mic that's to be used outdoors.
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Thanks for the great reply !!
based on the idea that this might be for tv broadcast,
I assume I should be concerned withthe mono aspect of recording
and results of mono
Therefore , any further comment or tips based on this info which i provided here to your question will be appreciated again ,
Thank So Much For Taking The Time

Cheers
Bruce Morgan
 
Well I have mixed feelings about going for mono compatibility with such a large group... if they're centered around a point (semi-circle) then you can point the mics at 90 degree angles towards each other so that the diaphragms are in line vertically but the mic on the right is pointing to the guy on the left and vice versa... this is an X/Y setup (I think that's what you call it)... I never do this one, but lots of people do... basically you take the two mics and arrange 'em like the head of this Rode mic right here CLICK HERE

Just imagine the mic bodies extending back... with that mic you see just the diaphragms/heads on the top of the body, but hopefully you get the point.

If the group isn't going to be close together then you can probably mix the two spaced mics down to mono... or maybe don't worry about the mono compatibility. I'd be curious to know what Ty would say about this one.
 
MattinSTL said:
Well I have mixed feelings about going for mono compatibility with such a large group... if they're centered around a point (semi-circle) then you can point the mics at 90 degree angles towards each other so that the diaphragms are in line vertically but the mic on the right is pointing to the guy on the left and vice versa... this is an X/Y setup (I think that's what you call it)... I never do this one, but lots of people do... basically you take the two mics and arrange 'em like the head of this Rode mic right here CLICK HERE

Just imagine the mic bodies extending back... with that mic you see just the diaphragms/heads on the top of the body, but hopefully you get the point.

If the group isn't going to be close together then you can probably mix the two spaced mics down to mono... or maybe don't worry about the mono compatibility. I'd be curious to know what Ty would say about this one.
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My Thanks for the good advice
Ill let you know on this thread what we end up doing and how it sounds .
Cheers
Bruce
 
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