The "pocket 650"

David G. Smith

Steak Knife Member
As some of you may know, I have posted before about alternative, low cost lighting solutions. I wanted to add another light that I am very fond of, and that costs very little to acquire. Introducing what I have affectionately dubbed, "The Pocket 650":
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The "Pocket 650" is a 650 watt open faced light that was designed for use as supplemental lighting during the 8mm and Super 8mm home movie craze in the 1960s and 1970s. This particular light is the "Cameralite" from the Acme-Lite Manufacturing Company of Chicago Il. It is one of my favorite of these types of lights and I have, I believe, at least 5 or 6 of them.

Pocket 650 rear.jpg

There are other lights of similar design, made by other companies, that I have also. Another brand that i like a lot is the "Mardi-Gras" light made by GE. It is very similar to the Acme "Cameralite", but has a plastic body. The "Cameralite" is an all metal body. I have other lights of this type, but I have culled many of them from my kit. My main reason for sticking to the "Cameralite" and the "Mardi-Gras" lights, and a couple of other brands of this type, is to reduce my having to shop around for different types of spare bulbs for the lights. The "Cameralite", the "Mardi-Gras" light and the others all can be lamped with DVY 650 watt bulbs and DYS 600 watt bulbs. I have spares of those and pulled the lights that take different bulbs. All totaled I have probably about 10 or 12 of the "Pocket 650" type lights as part of my light kit. The best part is that I did not pay more than $20 for any of them, bought used off of eBay. To be totally truthful, I paid around $10 for most of them. I really like these lights. No, they are not the only lights you need to buy and they are not the easiest lights to control, but having a bin full of them is very handy. Shooting low budget fictional narrative, I have found myself in situations where I have some rather large spaces to light, like night exteriors, or down long hallways and such, where having small powerful lights, like the "Pocket 650", really save the day.

One of my favorite configurations for the "Pocket 650" is to use it with an umbrella to make a soft source.

Pocket 650 Umbrella cropped .jpg

Now using an umbrella as a soft source is tough, as the light is very hard to control. What I have been doing is using pieces of black fabric, specifically cut to fit the umbrella as drapes to help to control the light (especially to cut the bottom half of the light). I have also found that it helps to use available frames, like windows and doors, to help shape the light from an umbrella. The thing is, what the "Pocket 650" and an umbrella lack in control, they almost more than make up for by being very light weight, very easy and quick to set up and very low cost. I have done some testing and I can set up a "Pocket 650" with an umbrella on a super clamp with a baby pin and hang it almost anywhere. You got a warehouse interior (or what ever) and you want a soft top light... think about mounting a "Pocket 650" umbrella combo in the rafters. And so forth and so on...

Like I said, I don't think that this is the only light you should buy, I just wanted to offer a suggestion for an additional tool in your lighting kit.

Some more pics:

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Pocket 650 stand mount cropped.jpg

One bit of advice on purchasing these types of lights. What you want to make sure of is that the light is easily mountable to modern light gear. Some of the lights made during the film home movie days come with mounting clips that were made to mount directly into a slot on top of the Super 8mm camera. This moved the integral "85" filter (Full CTO) out of the way of the gate so that the film would register for tungsten lighting. I have found that the lights with these mounts require a good bit of modification to make them mountable to modern lighting support gear. My efforts to modify lights like this have not been successful. These is why I have narrowed the "Pocket 650s" in my kit to the "Cameralite", the "Mardi-Gras"light and a few others. What you want is a light that has some type of bracket or other mounting hardware that will accept a 1/4 20 (Or 3/8"... but I have passed on this for the sake of consistency in my gear) screw or bolt. To mount the "Pocket 650" in my lighting support gear I use an inexpensive variable spigot and bolt it to the bottom of the camera mounting bracket:

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I then use inexpensive umbrella stand mounting adapters to put the light on stands with tilt capabilities.

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These mount adapters come with the variable spigots, but I suggest getting some more to have around.

Here is the photometric info I have come up with testing these kinds of lights.

Direct beam:

Acme light direct beam photometrics.jpg

Umbrella bounce:

Acme 650 bounc umbrella photometrics.jpg

Well, just a suggestion. I like these lights. You do have to be very careful with them as they get very hot, but they are very handy to have around. Low cost, powerful, light weight.
 
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I have two lights somewhat similar to those. I think one is at least a 650, and the other is probably around 400/450. Both have handgrips like a gun, and start smoking after a minute of continual use. But man those little suckers are bright.
 
I have two lights somewhat similar to those. I think one is at least a 650, and the other is probably around 400/450. Both have handgrips like a gun, and start smoking after a minute of continual use. But man those little suckers are bright.

Ha, Ha.... yeah, you can get some smoke out of these lights for sure. Where I store my lights is a tad dusty and I always make sure that I pull them out before a shoot, set them up outside and let them "Cook off" for a little bit to burn off the dust and spiderwebs and such. I do that with all of my tungsten lights actually. If you notice in the close up of the light, there is a couple of scorch marks on the reflector. Some unfortunate flying insects met an untimely demise when they flew into the light.
 
You sir have just made me want to buy a bunch of these now, seem extremely useful for lighting for wide shots where lights need to be hidden.
 
You sir have just made me want to buy a bunch of these now, seem extremely useful for lighting for wide shots where lights need to be hidden.

Yep, just go to eBay and search for "Movie Light" in "Cameras and photo". There are usually several available. Just watch for a mounting bracket that you can work with.
 
I forgot all about those, I actually have one of those somewhere. From my parents super8 kit, I bought a new bulb for it even, but it was terrifying how hot it was, even compared to 1K's. Now to remember where I put it...
 
Yep, just go to eBay and search for "Movie Light" in "Cameras and photo". There are usually several available. Just watch for a mounting bracket that you can work with.
Trust me I already did and there are quite a few for only like 20 bucks. Will look in to getting some soon after I a few paychecks. Now to just get some Lowel Totas as I love using those lights because of their size.
 
As some of you may know, I have posted before about alternative, low cost lighting solutions. I wanted to add another light that I am very fond of, and that costs very little to acquire. Introducing what I have affectionately dubbed, "The Pocket 650":


So, I looked at some of these on Ebay... and of course, the thought that occurs to me is 'where to get replacement bulbs'... because some of the pictures showed bulb form factors that I've not seen... Some sort of looked like the quartzhalogen bulbs I've used for finder lights in my strobe heads... but the base was completely different.

Legend has it that Patton bought spare parts for his tanks from Sears... but those days I think are long gone...
 
So, I looked at some of these on Ebay... and of course, the thought that occurs to me is 'where to get replacement bulbs'... because some of the pictures showed bulb form factors that I've not seen... Some sort of looked like the quartzhalogen bulbs I've used for finder lights in my strobe heads... but the base was completely different.

Legend has it that Patton bought spare parts for his tanks from Sears... but those days I think are long gone...

Actually the replacement bulbs for these lamps are actually readily available. It uses the DVY 650 watt bulb and the DVS 600 watt bulb and most large bulb suppliers have them. Prices vary from like $12.00 to $20.00ish, but they are pretty easy to get.
 
Follow up to the above... Yeah, there were very different types of bulbs used in vintage home movie lights. That is why I have stuck with the ones that use the DVY and DVS bulbs. There are a bunch, especially the Sylvania ""Sun Gun" series that use a double ended horizontal lay out. I have a few of those, but for simplicity, I have boxed them up and don't keep them in my kit (Or given them away to friends that are filmmakers). Their are also a lot of lights like this that use high powered sealed beam bulbs. I have avoided them all together. I figured the less trouble keeping these light up and running the better and just stuck with the ones that take the DVY and DVS bulbs, which, as I noted above, are readily available. As a matter of fact Smith-Victor still makes fixtures that take these types of bulbs.
http://www.smithvictor.com/products/detail.asp?prodid=178&id=16&pid=2&s1=Lights++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++&s2=Quartz+Lights+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++&nm=Q60SG

Actually, the first lights I ever bought, over 20 years ago was 3 of those lights, with stands. I still use them to this day.
 
I love your low-budget lighting posts. Keep them coming! It seems like too many people are set on expensive LED fixtures and forget that there are much cheaper, yet very effective, options.
 
I love your low-budget lighting posts. Keep them coming! It seems like too many people are set on expensive LED fixtures and forget that there are much cheaper, yet very effective, options.

Thank you.

Yeah, we have all seen those posts: "How do I light this large space?.... I have a CFL soft box and 3 LED lights!"... Sometimes a few small and powerful lights can come in handy.
 
I have an old Siemens (1970s) that holds two 1k bulbs, but looks similar, but a bit wider.
Oh boy that sucker gets hot.
 
I have an old Siemens (1970s) that holds two 1k bulbs, but looks similar, but a bit wider.
Oh boy that sucker gets hot.

I have seen some of the old movie lights from Europe on eBay before and it seems that there were quit a few that are 1K or better. I almost bought one once, but then realized the electricity specs difference.... oops.
 
I use lowel tota's for the same purpose, probably a bit easier/safer to use and smaller to pack up given their small rectangular nature, plus you can stack on one stand and they have an umbrella holder built in closer to the lamp. They probably have a less even throw though since reflectors are only on top and bottom. They are pretty cheap used, but maybe more than those pocket 650s.
 
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