The Hackintosh thread - build a $3800 mac pro for $1100

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I'm a PC guy. I've been building, at one time selling, and using PC's for well over two decades. I legally own a lot of PC software from Adobe Production Suites, 3D software and more that to this day I still use on a regular basis.

4 years ago this April I bought a macbook pro because I wanted a new laptop for portability and personal use, but as a plus I knew I could also use it for transcoding footage to the ever-so popular ProRes format which is in demand from many of my clients. I've written guides online on using DaVinci & FCP X for everything from roundtrip workflows to simple transcoding of footage and Mac has become an important part of my post work on productions that I am hired to work on.

I never wanted to turn into a MAC guy but after 4 years running the macbook pro I started to see how absolutely far superior the mac OS is compared to Windows. Not to mention in general I feel the user interface and experience is better too. I have to give credit to Apple for this even if inside it kills me a little. Having been a PC guy for so long I know how much support and fixing I've had to do for all my family members and friends running PC's. In particular I mean Windows and the all so easy to get malware and viruses just from using IE browser exploiting the many vulnerabilities in the O/S. Last year on my PC I had malware unknown to me that gave my banking login information being taken which then lead to over $5000 being taken out of two bank accounts. This kind of thing is extremely rare on a Mac (not impossible but RARE) just on the simple foundation of security that Apple mac OS's are built on.

I know MAC vs PC can be subjective and let's face it personal... but after running it solid for 4 years I can say it's been far more reliable with less crashes, way less prone to "build up" of junk that slows it down, and as mentioned way less prone if not almost impossible to get virus/adware/malware which wastes resources if nothing else.

In back of my mind I had always wanted to eventually get mac workstations for my home studio and post production work but being torn with so much invested in PC software I wasn't entirely sure I wanted to completely cross over to the dark side. Back in 2005 (wow does time fly) Apple announced they would be switching to Intel based processors away from Motorola 68000 processors and what that did was open it up for enthusiasts who wanted to build Hackintosh computers - that is the Apple OSX running on a PC computers (brand name of PC clone). I found a website last year http://www.tonymacx86.com/ dedicated to listing compatible parts, installation guides, and a user support forum full of information and details about how to go about it.

Finally last week my main PC died. It was only the power supply which was an easy $60 to fix but I sort of wanted an excuse to build a completely new machine with some of the latest cutting edge power available from Intel and Nvidia. I decided this might be the time to try building the Hackintosh so before I bought any parts I used the website to make sure I was going to buy parts that were said to be compatible.

After a week of reading what really seems like very cryptic instructions to get this working, over the past weekend I was successful in getting OSX 10.11 (El Capitan) running on my PC clone machine. I still have a few things I need to do like verify the speed of my USB 3.0 ports and install a wireless adapter in the machine and probably bluetooth. Overall I'm happy to report that everything (sound, network, graphics, cuda drivers, and OS) are running really great and smooth.

So far I'm running DaVinci Resolve 12 and FCP X on it without any problems and the speed is absolutely blazing. Partly because of the new hardware obviously, but it's running as a "mac" and this is what has me most excited because the equivalent machine on spec is maybe $3800 USD from Apple but this machine was built for around $1100 USD. Below is my system and specs:

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- Intel i7 4.0GHz 4790k Quad Core 8 thread processor
- Gigabyte Z97x Gaming 3 (integrated Intel graphics card, RealTek AC1150, Killer E2200 GB ethernet)
- EVGA GeForce 960 Superclocked 4GB
- 32GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz
- Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD
- Cooler Master G650M 650W PSU
- Cooler Master Hyper 212 direct heat pipe cooler
- Corsair Carbide series SPEC-1 Case
- 3x 120cm cooling fans

This cost me around $1611 Canadian ($1100 USD) plus taxes and can probably be bought for less if you were to really shopped around.

I have documented for the most part the step by step process and procedure steps that I took in order to get everything up and running here on this thread: http://www.tonymacx86.com/el-capita...i7-4790k-gtx760-sc-killer-ethernet-e2200.html

Just some brief caution: building a Hackintosh and getting it working is not at all easy to do and you will likely encounter problem after problem that you need a lot of patience for in order to resolve before getting to the next step. Sometimes instructions you read online on what you need to do are cryptic and not easy to understand. The steps I wrote will link to specific guides, or portions to other guides that I had to use in order to get my Hackintosh up and running properly but one thing to point out is that you can't follow my steps exactly if you go with different hardware components. As soon as you pick say a different motherboard or graphics card, the steps will change and you need to heavily research it or troubleshoot as you go along. Differences in hardware or combination of hardware will require different configurations, bios settings, and edits to the mac plists... and more. Some people get really lucky with their install but for others it can be extremely frustrating and difficult to get through so let this be a warning incase you decide you want to try this for yourself and thought it would be a breeze.

One tip I can suggest is that if you want to try building your own Hackintosh is to read the threads on Tonymacx86 marked [SUCCESS] to find other people who have successfully got it running on specific hardware components you might be considering to buy. There is also several GUIDES section where others with successful builds have outlined steps for very specific hardware components - so again look for these in advance of buying any parts. It will make your life much easier!

The processor, hard drive, and case isn't really going to make any difference when it comes to doing an install. It 95% has to do with the motherboard and graphics card and problems when the mac OSX is being installed and tripping up over drivers for specific hardware, so these are things to look out for. Differences between motherboards will be chipset, bios, bios version, EUFI compatibility, network controller, etc.. and it's this that will make the difference between an easy or hard build. If you read my build guide, you'll see that I didn't bother putting in the graphics card until after I got everything running ok. The reason is that the install can easily trip up over Nvidia cards so it's better to leave that for the end if you can.


What's next to conquer:
- get dual boot working (Windows 7 on separate SSD)
- verify the speed of my USB 3.0 ports
- install a wireless adapter
- install bluetooth
- research Thunderbolt
- get working: iMessage/FaceTime/iCloud
- get working: Sleep/Wake
- get working: CPU Speed Stepping/Power Management
 
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My Geekbench 3 Benchmark (32-bit test only, I don't own software to do 64-bit test)
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Novobench
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BruceX FCP Test - my score was 26 (lower is better)
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Other screen shots:
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StarCentral, thanks for taking the time to put this together. This is very timely. I just started researching this a few weeks ago. my 2011 macbook is struggling at times, so i think it is really time to upgrade.
 
Hey no sweat. I'm glad if you can find it useful.

My MacBook is also 2011, might I ask what issue you're having with it? Apple has extended some warranties on it depending on the nature of your issue.

Cheers,
 
I was on the cusp of getting a machine built with the 980Ti 6GB card - even in dual config (if that is possible?)

However from BruceX testing results I've found online, FCPX doesn't like (or rather 'isn't optimised for) the NVIDIA cards (due to using OpenCL not CUDA) and is super quick with AMD cards.
Even the current top end iMac (M395X GPU - which in itself is a hobbled 3yr old GPU) is much faster than the 980Ti for FCPX. Which was slightly disappointing.

I then looked at which AMD GPU to get and everyone recommends the Vapor-X 280X (in a dual config) however these are classed as 'old' now and so either having to source them or buy second hand. The newer 290X and 390X are not currently supported in OSX - so we are stuck at the moment with a massive compromise.

Go NVIDIA and get great CUDA performance, but average FCPX.
Go 280X and get similar performance to an iMAC

If I've got it wrong - I'm all ears, as I don't really want an iMac.

Dennis, could you run the BruceX benchmark in FCPX?
 
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If you are going to build a box and Dennis's thread has tweaked your interest I suggest you visit http://www.tonymacx86.com/ I have been building desktops and modifying laptops for the past 10 years and its a great resource.

It definitely is a great resource that I used to build mine and I documented my build there as well. FYI I referenced that site at least 3 times in my post.



I was on the cusp of getting a machine built with the 980Ti 6GB card - even in dual config (if that is possible?)

However from BruceX testing results I've found online, FCPX doesn't like (or rather 'isn't optimised for) the NVIDIA cards (due to using OpenCL not CUDA) and is super quick with AMD cards.
Even the current top end iMac (M395X GPU - which in itself is a hobbled 3yr old GPU) is much faster than the 980Ti for FCPX. Which was slightly disappointing.

I then looked at which AMD GPU to get and everyone recommends the Vapor-X 280X (in a dual config) however these are classed as 'old' now and so either having to source them or buy second hand. The newer 290X and 390X are not currently supported in OSX - so we are stuck at the moment with a massive compromise.

Go NVIDIA and get great CUDA performance, but average FCPX.
Go 280X and get similar performance to an iMAC

If I've got it wrong - I'm all ears, as I don't really want an iMac.

Dennis, could you run the BruceX benchmark in FCPX?

Some guys have run dual cards but I don't know what's involved config wise to get it running. You'd have to search tonymacx86.com and see what others have been doing.

My machine is mostly for DaVinci Resolve so I suspect that it wouldn't have any drastically wonderful benchmark for FCPX. I've read, as you've pointed out, that you'd need an AMD card for improvements on FCPX and the 280X was recommended by a few people who've said when running their BruceX tests a single 280X was 34 seconds compared to 48 seconds they were getting with two 650ti's.

I'll run the BenchX benchmark and post results in post #2.
 
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Wow I guess 26 seconds is pretty good.

This guy dropped in two 280x cards and went from 34 to 21 seconds (2 years ago on a i7-3770k, 16GB RAM) but the bigger downside to the 280x cards looks to be their high power draw?

http://www.tonymacx86.com/buying-ad...px-graphic-card-performance-4.html#post823475

This person running the same processor as mine and similar motherboard was getting 52 seconds (and pissed off about it) but using GTX 980 4GB. Perhaps the drivers a year later make a big difference? I installed beta Nvidia WebDriver-346.03.05f02, and after cudadriver-7.5.25-macos.dmg.

http://www.fcp.co/forum/hardware/18250-brucex-try-this-new-final-cut-pro-x-benchmark?start=260#58428
 
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I've been studying up on how to hack a Mac Pro. People are running El & Yosemite on older machines. Preplacing the cpu's with the trash can cpu's. The only down side I see is no thunderbolt.
 
I've been studying up on how to hack a Mac Pro. People are running El & Yosemite on older machines. Preplacing the cpu's with the trash can cpu's. The only down side I see is no thunderbolt.

If you read my install guide on tonymacx86 you'll see that originally I tried installing Mountain Lion because that was what was on my 2011 macbook pro but for the life of me I couldn't get it boot up on the PC. Extremely frustrated I gave up and decided to give El Capitan a try since for me it was a free download through the Apple store.

The big issue with choosing an OS version is that you actually can't buy the older OS anymore. You would either need to have the original install download from the Apple store somewhere on a hard drive or USB stick, or you just go with El Capitan because that's what you can download new from the Apple store.

For Lion and Mountain Lion owners, there is a way to mount your recovery partition and create a full install DVD or USB file from it which is what I had tried to do. My Mountain Lion boot up worked no problem, I just had too many issues with the install itself which is hardware component issue related.

Unfortunately the same trick of stealing the install DVD from the recover partition did not work with Yosemite, because I have a mac mini that shipped and was delivered with Yosemite. I gave up trying to research how to get a full install from it, I don't think it's possible. It seems Yosemite uses internet recovery now or something... again I don't know 100%


Is that your score with the 960 GPU ?

Yes sir. I was pleasantly surprised after seeing other peoples test numbers. Maybe because this card is the "super clocked" version.


FYI: I am not overclocking my CPU, GPU, etc.. nothing like that. I'm not sure I plan to either.
 
It's great that it has become easier to build working solutions the last few years.

The old 'actual' Mac Pros (4.1 and 5.1) are still popular options to start from as well. I like that you can get dual CPUs in the old Mac Pros and that they take your choice of NVIDIA or AMD as well. My current Mac Pro build is close to a year now and has served me well:

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It's a trade-off. As you can see my single core score isn't as strong as your modern CPU.

But I built this specifically with rendering (FCPX, Resolve and C4D) in mind. I've got 2 of the top Xeons (3.46GHz for this model). They only cost about $200 a piece.
 
Congrats on getting your Hack up and running. I need to upgrade my OS and have been avoiding the process. :( I think I will give it a go tonight though. Enjoy!
 
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