Kolor-Pikker
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Cloud storage means its on a server, server means bandwidth, there really aren't many places in the world where bandwidth is blazing fast and unlimited.
The future of film distribution... The extinction of the studio.
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dustylense
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Then how is it I can rent, buy, or preview 1000's and 1000's of movies on Apple TV and Netflix? I press rent and in 10 secs I'm watching blueray quality without a single hiccup.
Netflix streams content in some 120 different formats to accomodate different speeds and devices, I'd say that like me, you have an excellent internet package.
It probably depends on where you are, or even which country. Here in the UK its a mixed bag, some parts have lovely fast broadband, others not so good.
For me i have lovely 3.5 Mbit broadband, I cant even stream 720p videos without buffering.
Also here, a lot of streaming content is 720p and not 1080. I can certainly see the differance on friends systems compared to my bluerays, the streaming is not as good.
For me i have lovely 3.5 Mbit broadband, I cant even stream 720p videos without buffering.
Also here, a lot of streaming content is 720p and not 1080. I can certainly see the differance on friends systems compared to my bluerays, the streaming is not as good.
dustylense
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Blueray is 1080p. Nothing more nothing less. The point is that streaming is the future, for distribution and content. It will open up markets to small studios and Indie work.
I could put a blueray in and stream from Apple TV and see virtually zero difference in quality. Why do you think the DVD market is collapsing? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...cline-likely-die-internet-Digiboxes-over.html
Google it and read up...
Blu Ray hovers around 45mb/s and I believe spec calls for 5.1 Audio. Noone streams that, at all. That's what DevonH meant.
1080 doesn't make it Blu Ray spec, just 1080.
It's pretty easy to see the difference to me, but I guess not everyone can.
dustylense
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Apple TV has 5.1 audio. I confirm this because my Bose switches to 5.1 when I stream movie content. Embrace the future or get left behind....
Even if it's 5.1, you aren't streaming a 45Mb/s picture. It isn't Blu Ray.
Devon's comment has nothing to do with the future, only that you weren't exactly accurate.
dustylense
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Kholi... Read the links I posted. DVD's and blueray are dying... Just a fact...
Oi... DVDs were "dying" six years ago, Devon's point had nothing to do with that, only that you were a bit misinformed on what Blu Ray was and that you were not receiving Blu Ray quality over any streaming service. He's right.
Anyway, Devon, I think you raise a good point about the overall production value and how that generation may not care as much. Having been exposed to so many various levels of it (the "new" MTV) etc. it's likely not as big of a deal as it would be to someone like m'self. I guess it's something to embrace versus challenge.
dustylense
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Misinformed like steaming doesn't carry 5.1 audio Kholi? LOL.. Maybe when you put superseeds on a stream service we can watch it?... You of all people should embrace the wave coming for small indie guys like yourself. Or, just stay stubborn. Look at newsprint. What has killed it? Look at magazine subscriptions? What has killed it? I can keep going....
Dusty, when I said "noone streams that" it was in reference to 45Mb/s + 5.1 Audio, the entirety of Blu Ray spec (which likely isn't exactly right, anyway). Devon was right, you do not receive Blu Ray quality over any streaming service. But I think you get that point now and are now informed so all good.
I'm sure we'll reach a point where we can stream Blu Ray quality, it's simply down the road a bit, and by that time we will most likely have cameras with vastly improved codecs and compression formats that are also improved.
Kholi, it's definitely interesting. I always try to capture movies I enjoy at the theatre so that I get to take in that experience, but I currently don't have a Blu Ray player, so Netflix/DVD quality is suitable (though I have shut my XBOX off in frustration on more than one occasion due to massive artifacts and noise.) I'm friends with a married couple (24 and 25), who have a Google TV. When I go over, we use it to sit and watch Youtube videos for hours on end versus movies and TV shows. It's instant gratification, and the lack of any sort of major time commitment means it's good for all of us, we can watch for 10 minutes, or an hour. I used to be an obsessive pixel peeper, but I've come to realize that for the most part, as long as your paying attention to your story, your lighting, and your cinematography, you really don't need to worry all that much, the vast majority will be happy with your content (which has always been the case for the most part). This is even more interesting to me because now we have 4k cameras already available on a semi-budget level, and then cameras like the BMCC. Our audience's viewports are getting smaller/remaining the same, and our technology is out pacing it dramatically. But before you know it 4K TV will be here and we'll be going through this all over.
Kholi, it's definitely interesting. I always try to capture movies I enjoy at the theatre so that I get to take in that experience, but I currently don't have a Blu Ray player, so Netflix/DVD quality is suitable (though I have shut my XBOX off in frustration on more than one occasion due to massive artifacts and noise.) I'm friends with a married couple (24 and 25), who have a Google TV. When I go over, we use it to sit and watch Youtube videos for hours on end versus movies and TV shows. It's instant gratification, and the lack of any sort of major time commitment means it's good for all of us, we can watch for 10 minutes, or an hour. I used to be an obsessive pixel peeper, but I've come to realize that for the most part, as long as your paying attention to your story, your lighting, and your cinematography, you really don't need to worry all that much, the vast majority will be happy with your content (which has always been the case for the most part). This is even more interesting to me because now we have 4k cameras already available on a semi-budget level, and then cameras like the BMCC. Our audience's viewports are getting smaller/remaining the same, and our technology is out pacing it dramatically. But before you know it 4K TV will be here and we'll be going through this all over.
Completely agree. You can sort of see it finally beginning to make the turn where the quality is capable of catching up to the content, and really do you "need" 45Mb/s for home theater? REDRAY is supposed to be able to handle 2.5Mb/s streaming of REDCODE, 4K (I think) which is going to be a large leap forward, and likely should sort of set a bar for the rest of the company's to hit? I dunno, maybe not because it'll be niche as well.
The good thing is that it supposedly opens more doors for revenue streams, but even then I have no idea what that really does for those with content and still no names or anything to really sell a product on other than hope. xD
No matter what, for a while, having a name to sell on (or something similar) is still going to be pretty important for years to come. Oi.
i don't remember which service, but one of the streaming services(apple tv, amazon instant watch, netflix, ...etc.) had 2 HD datarates or 2 1080p data rates 2.5Mbps(recommended for 3.5Mbps+ connections) and 1.5Mbps(recommended for 2Mbps+ connections) for the HD options, and one or two more option for a total of 3 (low, medium, and high quality). it seems the data rates were made for internet connections and can be changed when more users get faster and more stable internet connections.
barring in mind that these services are catered to instant streaming or as little as possible buffering, and can be upgraded faster than a disc mediums like blu-ray, and that the resolution is 1920x1080p or 1280x720p. these services, on currently available internet connections provide instant movies or episodes of higher quality(depends on the encoding) than DVD (for movies) or at least DVD (for episodes).
not enough for high quality 1920x1080p, but not horrible. and i don't think it needs to go to 40mbps, some movies on blu-ray are 25 and 20Mbps or there about for the video data rate(tv episodes sometimes less), and better encodes can be made on streaming services, so maybe at 8-16Mbps, the video quality might be considered about the same as blu-ray, it's not that far off, it's 2-3 upgrades of doubling the data-rate. or using a newer more efficient codec when available.
i would still prefer a physical disc for select movies and tv shows as it's better value for money and you get to keep the disc and play it at anytime, but i can see how netflix appeals to a lot of it's users that watch a lot of content that they would not otherwise buy on blu-ray or dvd or instant watch(2.99 or 1.99) service or 0.99 bin.
barring in mind that these services are catered to instant streaming or as little as possible buffering, and can be upgraded faster than a disc mediums like blu-ray, and that the resolution is 1920x1080p or 1280x720p. these services, on currently available internet connections provide instant movies or episodes of higher quality(depends on the encoding) than DVD (for movies) or at least DVD (for episodes).
not enough for high quality 1920x1080p, but not horrible. and i don't think it needs to go to 40mbps, some movies on blu-ray are 25 and 20Mbps or there about for the video data rate(tv episodes sometimes less), and better encodes can be made on streaming services, so maybe at 8-16Mbps, the video quality might be considered about the same as blu-ray, it's not that far off, it's 2-3 upgrades of doubling the data-rate. or using a newer more efficient codec when available.
i would still prefer a physical disc for select movies and tv shows as it's better value for money and you get to keep the disc and play it at anytime, but i can see how netflix appeals to a lot of it's users that watch a lot of content that they would not otherwise buy on blu-ray or dvd or instant watch(2.99 or 1.99) service or 0.99 bin.
Youtube seems like an awesome opportunity for the indie film maker. No barriers to entry, make it, put it on youtube.
However, the youtube audience, at least for now, does not watch narrative films or series. The ONLY exception to this in any real numbers seems to be video game related series.
The first one that I saw get really popular was The Guild which was created by Felicia Day.
I don't know why exactly only video game related series seem to work, but so far nothing else seems to get through the noise of cats in hats and sexy girls at comicon on youtube.
However, the youtube audience, at least for now, does not watch narrative films or series. The ONLY exception to this in any real numbers seems to be video game related series.
The first one that I saw get really popular was The Guild which was created by Felicia Day.
I don't know why exactly only video game related series seem to work, but so far nothing else seems to get through the noise of cats in hats and sexy girls at comicon on youtube.
Well, it's surprisingly simple. You make a game related video and it will spread on gaming sites. There a BUNCH of viewers going through Kotaku, gamespot, ign, rockpaperscissors all the time. Make a good short with a corresponding theme and those sites will also spread it (if it's atleast a little bit good). And when they spread it, you will automatically get a bunch of views.
This works for other avenues too like fanfilms. Gaming is just such a huge part of the pc-world and population that the view amounts are quite huge. FreddieW got it.