The End of 35mm Adapters....

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Is this the end of 35mm adapters??? Granted, you wouldn't want to go shoot a feature film with a canon 5D still camera. What do you do about audio, frame rates, work flow, etc. Your actors would laugh at you if you pulled out a still camera to shoot a movie!

But....

I really am baffled! The canon 5D footage Depth of Field looks far superior to XLH1, Sony xdcam, HVX200, you name it. I own a letus and love the look, but what I can't figure out is how they got that depth of field without having to first go through a ground glass like we do with out Adapters???

Imagine just attaching your Canon "L" series lenses and shooting straight to the Chip without attachments on the front of your camera. AND achieving insanely narrow depth of field on your footage.

Why does the footage on a $2600 5D look superior DOF-wise, to the $8999 canon XLH1 (which also has interchangeable lense feature-I might add)


Any thoughts guys?
 
Sensor size, as it relates to focal length of lenses, which is what largely determines depth of field.

We use 35mm SLR lens adapters because that effectively gives us a 24x36mm sensor and all the DOF control goodness that comes with that. The 5D has a sensor that big!

Always fun to trot out one of these charts and see how incredibly tiny the sensors in our video cameras are:

http://www.negativespaces.com/blog/images/HD-sensor-sizes.jpg

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I really am baffled! The canon 5D footage Depth of Field looks far superior to XLH1, Sony xdcam, HVX200, you name it.
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Don't call it superior. If it's anything it's inferior, since the image has less depth of field. (the field is the part that is in focus, so less field, less focus. Don't forget lenses are designed to project us images that are IN focus)

They offer a different set of compromises both in the final image and the useability that differ from 35mm adapters.

The end is near, but has not quite arrived.
 
can't wait to see what the Red DSLR can do and how it compares to the canon 5d.
 
I wouldn't call this the end of 35mm adapters. I'd say it'll just be another chapter. Maybe the "next book in the series", but defiantly not the end. With the userbase that these adapters have theses days, they're not going away anytime soon.
 
Don't count 35mm adapters out yet in a few years sure, but not now. I had a friend of mine who shot with it show me what he shot and it's nothing to write home about. Everyone else will realize this in a few weeks. For personal work people will probably find a way to make it work but for anything semi pro and up it won't be useful for much more than short shots.

If you're getting paid to shoot this isn't the camera for you.
 
The End?

The End?

No actually, the end will be when Canon decides to take their new SLR Mark II and stick that technology into one of their camcorders with the 35mm size sensor. I honestly don't know what's stopping them form doing that and in an affordable way. SLRs will never replace camcorders. Just like when you take a still from your camcorder and call it a photo...it just doesn't cut it.

However, a lot of poeple still use the DVX and the HVX, XHA1, JVC cams, Sony cams...a lot of them are out there and a lot of people will continue to use them...so I think the adapter market will still last a while longer.
 
Sorry guys I have to disagree. I think the end is coming.

http://www.red.com/epic_scarlet/

Canon, Panasonic, and Sony better be shaking in their boots. Why put a 35mm adapter on the front of a sony so it can then go through the sony lens to a 1/2" chip and all the LIGHT LOSS that comes with that nonsense,

When you can have a scarlet with a 2/3" chip for $2500. Granted thats base and you need to add all the fixens, but lets be realistic. Sony and Panasonic 2/3" chip cameras are well into the $10K price range.

and if you go up to the $7K mark you get a S35 chip size!!!! Can we say Pany Genesis??


I own a Letus and all I can say is I've been frustrated with the resolution, and mostly the light loss. I would well spend the money on a Red to not have to deal with that. (and have 3K resolution to boot!)


Mark my words, in the coming years 35mm adapters will start to flood ebay... A relic of the past. Camera manufacturers (thank you RED!!!) are starting to realize that to do quality work we need DOF capability built into the system. Right now we strap on our 35mm contraptions, mess with ground glass and light loss hoping to mimic what big time cinematographers can already do.

Until now.

At a more affordable price, we are now blessed with full frame sensors. I would look to Canon, Panasonic and Sony to move in that direction. They will have to or watch as Red takes over the market and their cameras become a relic of the past.
 
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