The Difference 24p Makes

David Jimerson

David Jimerson

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For those of you who doubt 24 fps makes much difference at all, and a cinematic or "film" look is all about lighting, composition, etc . . .

Watch tonight's live episode of "Will & Grace." If they do it the same as they did with their live episode earlier this year -- and there's no reason to think they won't -- you'll see a show where the only thing that's changed about how it's shot is the difference in frame rate -- 24p normally; 60p tonight.

If the framerate doesn't matter, there shouldn't be any difference in its feel, right?

Watch tonight and see if you still think that.
 
lol who said that framerate makes no difference? If ppl thought it didnt matter they wouldnt buy a camera or be on this board?

I've heard ppl over and over tell newbies and such that film look is more about ligh and comp than framerate, and if you want something that looks good at all I tend to agree, but to look like film, you gotta shoot 24p.

but if you can only have one or the other, please tell you u'd rather have awesome light and comp over 24p.
 
24p is the reason I didn't settle for a cheaper camera. I still haven't shot 1 frame of 60i with my DVX. That'll tell you how much 24p matters.
 
My opinion is the film look requires 24p, but the MOVIE look requires lighting, acting, ect.

Film look is implying that the quality of the image is similar to shooting on film. Movie look is implying the the product looks like a Hollywood production with a budget rather than you shooting in your basement.
 
Hehe, agreed. I've only ever shot anything besides 24p to use cut in with 24p... I used 30p for a slight slow motion effect.
 
AAAAAH!!! I want a DVX!! Someday when my savings goes as I planned. Everytime, I save enough something happens to drain my savings...cars exploding...etc. Someday *drools over 24p*
 
"how it's shot is the difference in frame rate -- 24p normally; 60p tonight."

so are you saying the show is normally shot HD 24p or SD 24p ??
or is it normally shot on FILM at 24fps or maybe 30fps ? and tonight is 60i video ..
if it is shot on FILM then there is much more then just 24fps vs 60i going on tonight ... add the difference between FILM vs. video

ER had a few LIVE broadcast ... the difference was more then just 24p vs. 60i it really came down to FILM vs interlace Video
 
Frame rate is important, but good lighting and composition do have a large part to play too. I about peed my pants when I saw some footage of a basketball game I shot the first time I used the DVX. That frame rate (and saturated look) made me think I was watching some espn sports clips. It was pretty wild.
 
Sorry if this is a little out of topic.. but my brother used to point out how much he admired NFL Films footage when it was shown during a game or a recap. I don't even watch football, but found myself watching an entire game on his NFL Films Channel or whatever it is where they show the entire game like that.

Does anyone here know much about NFL Films... and if they are/will continue to use film? or if they might be switching over to HD? (a friend told me they were now using HD cameras... but I'm thinking that will really ruin the vintage look so many have come to love). But then again, it's probably the same thing... Film vs. Video.... or is it? I dunno... that's why I ask :) And if all film is 24? or do they use a diff. speed (if possible) when dealing with sports?

jg
 
James Gerber said:
Sorry if this is a little out of topic.. but my brother used to point out how much he admired NFL Films footage when it was shown during a game or a recap. I don't even watch football, but found myself watching an entire game on his NFL Films Channel or whatever it is where they show the entire game like that.

Does anyone here know much about NFL Films... and if they are/will continue to use film? or if they might be switching over to HD? (a friend told me they were now using HD cameras... but I'm thinking that will really ruin the vintage look so many have come to love). But then again, it's probably the same thing... Film vs. Video.... or is it? I dunno... that's why I ask :) And if all film is 24? or do they use a diff. speed (if possible) when dealing with sports?

jg
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The NFL uses HD, sometimes they shoot 24p but for alot of recaps and stuff they shoot at either 48p and slow it down half, and very rairely they shoot 60p and slow it down to 24p. But the game itself is usually shot in 60i.
 
I want to second donatellos question.
Are you sure that the frame rate is the oinly difference?
It seemed to me like a film vs. video issue as all the video problems were there (burned highlights. poor contrast and colors).
 
if they are shooting panaflexes then they are shooting 35mm FILM !! ..
IMO the BIG thing sticking out on the live broadcast is FILM vs Video and 2nd would be 60i vs 24p ( or do they shoot 30p? )...
so the live show really shows you is difference on how film looks and how ?? video looks and some 60i vs 24p difference ...

now it also could be they decided to shoot 60i over 24p video because they WANTED that video 60i feel ( which is associated in USA with live feed) to make sure the viewers would feel it was LIVE ... = if they shot 24p video and gave the film look then viewers might not believe it's live ... it HAD to look TOTALLY different then a filmed show ...
 
I have no doubt that's why they did it.

They did a pretty nifty sleight-of-hand when they switched between two nearly-identical sets, though. Seamless.
 
Don't confuse NFL films with the NFL (as in NFL on Fox)

NFL films shoot each game on 16mm film, usually having 2 DPs shooting 12,000ft of film.

For Superbowl games, they have 28 cameramen shooting between 24-64fps.

http://www.nflfilms.com/media/
 
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