Cheesesailor77
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DavidBeier said:
i don't knooooow...
well, maybe.
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i don't knooooow...
well, maybe.
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meta4 said:
Can you elaborate. I'm confused.
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Charli said:
Not a Scorsese fan I take it ? :huh:
Cheesesailor77
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specifically brains? or just bloody matter in general? if the latter, are we talkin' 1 count per person, or if a guy gets his leg or something blown off and THEN his brains blown out does that count as 2?
i mean, if i'm going to give an accurate estimate...
i mean, if i'm going to give an accurate estimate...
Cheesesailor77
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hmmmmmm
6?
6?
thartley
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Charli said:
I reserve "truly hate" for movies like 'XXX'
If you hated the way you felt at the end, then this movie accomplished what it probably (in part) set out to do. Definitely not the typical Hollywood ending where everything wraps up real pretty. I knew I was rooting for certain characters, but I didnt realize how much I was actually invested in them until they were taken out of the equation so abruptly and I never saw it coming. That is so like life.As for the doc having too much class...it proved she was human and susceptible to baser human drives than she learned about in psychology class. She was very clinical when she was dealing with Sullivan, asking if he wanted to "talk about it" the morning after, and he probably appealed to her more bookish and presentable public self. She was going on pure instinctual drive with Costigan and made the quick assertion to him that there was nothing inappropriate about him being at her place since he was no longer a patient. With that statement, she gave herself permission to morally look the other way within herself.
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Ditto. When Leo got shot in the head, I had a brief period of denial. "I didn't see that." "That couldn't have happened." "Maybe it's a trick?" "Some kind of double switch that'll someone give us a happy ending?" "Please." "DAMN YOU SCORSESE!!!"
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Ditto. When Leo got shot in the head, I had a brief period of denial. "I didn't see that." "That couldn't have happened." "Maybe it's a trick?" "Some kind of double switch that'll someone give us a happy ending?" "Please." "DAMN YOU SCORSESE!!!"
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I dunno if *SPOILERS* are necessarily an issue with this thread anymore, but went to see it again tonight....
Nine or ten, depending if you count Officer Brown at the elevator. My daughter says he must have taken a shot to the head for him to drop like he did. I tend to agree, I guess. So, ten.
And, she said she hated me for taking her to see the movie.
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Nine or ten, depending if you count Officer Brown at the elevator. My daughter says he must have taken a shot to the head for him to drop like he did. I tend to agree, I guess. So, ten.
And, she said she hated me for taking her to see the movie.
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The movie rocks. And kicks a** (can you say a** on DVXuser?). Like many others who posted in the thread, I thought the final deaths were a bit of a rip off. Sometimes downers are earned, despite our pain. Not sure aobut this. Also didn't really see why critics are insisting that Marky Mark stole the show. He had some great lines. And they were written for him. His performance was great if one-note. Jack was great, and chewed a bit of scenery. Loved how the story made me work...kept me guessing. An outstanding script/story. Only hated two lines.
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The movie rocks. And kicks a** (can you say a** on DVXuser?). Like many others who posted in the thread, I thought the final deaths were a bit of a rip off. Sometimes downers are earned, despite our pain. Not sure aobut this. Also didn't really see why critics are insisting that Marky Mark stole the show. He had some great lines. And they were written for him. His performance was great if one-note. Jack was great, and chewed a bit of scenery. Loved how the story made me work...kept me guessing. An outstanding script/story. Only hated two lines.
I am a Scorsese fan and came into to the film with high hopes. I would give the film a solid B because it was really entertaining. I thought the acting was well done. I take a point off for Sheen's Jack Kennedy imitation. My only problem with the film was the screenplay, I thought the plot development was lazy. There were too many plot devices that seemed forced or irrational to me to move the story and to conceal the identity of the two leads.
SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
The idea that Damon would be able to pull off the final scene between him and Nicholson barely passes the laugh test. Dicaprio is in the warehouse using his cell and they couldn't figure out who it is among the six people there? Damon is from southie, he goes completely unchecked and promoted? Wahlbergs character disappears until the end? (he cared way too much for that as we can tell by his last actions.) The two fall for the same therapist and she goes for coffee after that therapy session? Dicaprio is able to get into the theatre and sit 6 rows behind Damon and nichalson? There are two other undercovers, 1 on each side, that have no affect on the story until the end. Nicholson being a rat himself who was going to give up the two cops he put in place????? I can handle a couple of these, but there is only so much suspension of disbelief.
If you contrast this film with Goodfellas and the story/character development, none of the actions of the characters felt contrived, here IMHO they did including the final executions in an attempt to create twists.
Having said all of that, I enjoyed the ride on the spectacle level. Just one man's opinion.
SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
The idea that Damon would be able to pull off the final scene between him and Nicholson barely passes the laugh test. Dicaprio is in the warehouse using his cell and they couldn't figure out who it is among the six people there? Damon is from southie, he goes completely unchecked and promoted? Wahlbergs character disappears until the end? (he cared way too much for that as we can tell by his last actions.) The two fall for the same therapist and she goes for coffee after that therapy session? Dicaprio is able to get into the theatre and sit 6 rows behind Damon and nichalson? There are two other undercovers, 1 on each side, that have no affect on the story until the end. Nicholson being a rat himself who was going to give up the two cops he put in place????? I can handle a couple of these, but there is only so much suspension of disbelief.
If you contrast this film with Goodfellas and the story/character development, none of the actions of the characters felt contrived, here IMHO they did including the final executions in an attempt to create twists.
Having said all of that, I enjoyed the ride on the spectacle level. Just one man's opinion.
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i completely agree that this film doesn't stand a chance compared with a film like Goodfellas. However, I personally don't agree with any of the specific complaints you had. None of those events felt cotrived to me, at least not in THIS movie. But again, to me this felt like a "cops and robbers" movie. I guess i do agree that i felt it wasn't realistic, but i don't that was the point.
Well what about the fact Damon with a "cosigner" is living in a $800k on the common overlooking the state house. No one figures out he can't afford that on his cops salary? The therapist doesn't ask?
Dicaprio gets the tape of the conversation and doesn't go to Internal Affairs, or the Boston Globe, or Wahlberg. But instead lets meet on a roof?
All of these points could have been well handled and made the film even more compelling but IMO it was easier to created conflict, tension and atmosphere by taking short cuts.
Dicaprio gets the tape of the conversation and doesn't go to Internal Affairs, or the Boston Globe, or Wahlberg. But instead lets meet on a roof?
All of these points could have been well handled and made the film even more compelling but IMO it was easier to created conflict, tension and atmosphere by taking short cuts.
WARNING: MORE DAMN SPOILERS!!!
Funny, when you guys point out the logical inconsistencies, I have to totally 100% agree they can question credulity. And I probably did pause for about one and a half seconds and question a couple of thse while I was watching, but it's just so damn compelling over all, I guess I didn't care. And now that I think about it even more, it's not like any of these items are IMPOSSIBLE. People are fallible and full of inconsistencies in real life. In movies, we can't expect everyone is going to be a superhero: so maybe it's impossible to check any cop's background completely, short of having a camera pointed at every one of us our entire lives (so the fact that Damon is a "southie" isn't enough to keep him from a promotion...the fact he's "bad" is...but hey, they didn't know that). The fact that the therapist goes for a coffee with a guy after a session shows she's not 100% good either. And that's sorta what the movie is about. Nothing, nobody, cops nor robbers, are 100% good or evil. The dying henchman who realizes that Leo is the rat even asks "why didn't I tell anybody I knew"? I'll tell you why: because he had an ounce of goodness. And so, back to the therapist, she's not a perfectly pious, by the book counsellor. She might be trying. But she's drawn to bad boys. How many stories do we hear in the news about a doctor/counsellor/therapist crossing the line and getting reprimanded/fired for such a short-sighted indiscretion? All the time! And think how many more incidents stay secret forever. So, yes, these things you point out do raise a question--would they happen--but I guess I bought them because every last one of them COULD happen.
Funny, when you guys point out the logical inconsistencies, I have to totally 100% agree they can question credulity. And I probably did pause for about one and a half seconds and question a couple of thse while I was watching, but it's just so damn compelling over all, I guess I didn't care. And now that I think about it even more, it's not like any of these items are IMPOSSIBLE. People are fallible and full of inconsistencies in real life. In movies, we can't expect everyone is going to be a superhero: so maybe it's impossible to check any cop's background completely, short of having a camera pointed at every one of us our entire lives (so the fact that Damon is a "southie" isn't enough to keep him from a promotion...the fact he's "bad" is...but hey, they didn't know that). The fact that the therapist goes for a coffee with a guy after a session shows she's not 100% good either. And that's sorta what the movie is about. Nothing, nobody, cops nor robbers, are 100% good or evil. The dying henchman who realizes that Leo is the rat even asks "why didn't I tell anybody I knew"? I'll tell you why: because he had an ounce of goodness. And so, back to the therapist, she's not a perfectly pious, by the book counsellor. She might be trying. But she's drawn to bad boys. How many stories do we hear in the news about a doctor/counsellor/therapist crossing the line and getting reprimanded/fired for such a short-sighted indiscretion? All the time! And think how many more incidents stay secret forever. So, yes, these things you point out do raise a question--would they happen--but I guess I bought them because every last one of them COULD happen.