The Departed Sequel

spidey said:
still though no love for the chinese.
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I don't get what you mean, the source material never get an oscar along side the adapted screenplay award. This is nothing new.

If you mean the original movie should have won best foreign film that yeah then that's another story.


On whether or not to do a sequel....Martin why not just leave it at the Departed? We need a Taxi Driver 2: THE REVENGE :D
 
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Face it

The original is a niche in America

If I had a choice; do I want a dubbed or sub-titled film by someone I jave never heard of or do I want Martin Scorsese in his element ?
 
John_Hudson said:
Face it

The original is a niche in America

If I had a choice; do I want a dubbed or sub-titled film by someone I jave never heard of or do I want Martin Scorsese in his element ?
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John, imagine this in an alternate reality: Would you like the original Godfather or the remake done by a very famous director from the most influencial film industry in the world (Hong-Kong) ?

What I mean is that it certainly feels a bias, here. The Oscars are, of course, the Film awards that award american films- that's why there's "the best foreign film" category- But I just can't feel but a bit disappointed that the director of such excelent and significant movies to the history of cinema, like Taxi Driver and Goodfellas, and even the Aviator (which I consider one of his best films- a class in cinema in many aspects) would be awarded by a film he didn't personaly had high expectations with- just listen to his DGA prize taking speech.

The Oscars, being the most watched award ceremony for film in the world, should be more of an International Event. Best film shouldn't be just for american movies. I'm not saying that american movies have no quality, I'm very far from that statement- most of my favourite movies are American films- but the competition should be opened to the World- that way more and more quality films worldwide would get the recognition they deserve... This year, for example, Volver, from Pedro Almodovar, should have been competing. On the year "Life is Beautiful" by Roberto Begnini, won best foreign film, I certainly tought it should've been nominated for best movie...
 
I see your point

But it does not apply unless I am either in Japan or into asian cinema, right ?

The Departed is one of the best films I have ever seen and Scorsese is a master of masters on the planet

Am I complaining ? no way
 
John_Hudson said:
I see your point

But it does not apply unless I am either in Japan or into asian cinema, right ?

The Departed is one of the best films I have ever seen and Scorsese is a master of masters on the planet

Am I complaining ? no way
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Come on, John, you are into cinema- and I know you are- you wouldn't be descriminating a film because of its origin... A good film is a good film wherever it comes from- and you know that :)

EDIT- And Scorcese should've won with the Aviator. Not with this. It feels like a consolation prize for screwing him up in many occasions. (not that the competition is any better this year...Maybe that's it...)
 
SPZ said:
The Oscars, being the most watched award ceremony for film in the world, should be more of an International Event. Best film shouldn't be just for american movies. I'm not saying that american movies have no quality, I'm very far from that statement- most of my favourite movies are American films- but the competition should be opened to the World- that way more and more quality films worldwide would get the recognition they deserve... This year, for example, Volver, from Pedro Almodovar, should have been competing. On the year "Life is Beautiful" by Roberto Begnini, won best foreign film, I certainly tought it should've been nominated for best movie...
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Many countries have their own equivalent to the Academy Awards.

EDIT: You should be complaining about the Golden Globes Awards. That's the award from the foreign press. Why don't you see the foreign movies more prominent there?
 
Blaine said:
Many countries have their own equivalent to the Academy Awards.
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Yes, but, lets take, for example, Cannes- Lars Von Trier, Almodovar and Michael Moore won there- that's an International Festival.

Venice is the same. No Bias to nationality- just best Film.

The Oscars are the most watched awards in the world, with live broadcasts to millions of spectators... Why not be as international as its audience?

SOrry for taking this thread to another direction here.

Going back to Infernal Affairs 2 (departed 2), in my opinion, the Hong-Kong sequel was superior to the original Infernal Affairs.
 
SPZ said:
Come on, John, you are into cinema- and I know you are- you wouldn't be descriminating a film because of its origin... A good film is a good film wherever it comes from- and you know that :)

EDIT- And Scorcese should've won with the Aviator. Not with this. It feels like a consolation prize for screwing him up in many occasions. (not that

the competition is any better this year...Maybe that's it...)
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I rewatched The Aviator just last night and was thinking the same thing; how could he not win over Million Dollar Shitfest ? And of course Gangs but they give it to Chicago ?

WTF is going on in the Academy's head's ?

It is not about origina, I respect that, but this is a different film. Different actors, different everything

The story is similiar but so what

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I swear to god; if Marty does not win I'm gonna nut
 
SPZ said:
Yes, but, lets take, for example, Cannes- Lars Von Trier, Almodovar and Michael Moore won there- that's an International Festival.

Venice is the same. No Bias to nationality- just best Film.

The Oscars are the most watched awards in the world, with live broadcasts to millions of spectators... Why not be as international as its audience?

SOrry for taking this thread to another direction here.

Going back to Infernal Affairs 2 (departed 2), in my opinion, the Hong-Kong sequel was superior to the original Infernal Affairs.
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Yes, but how do you explain the Golden Globes which IS an international affair. It seems that the international press is also American-centric in their choices.

John_Hudson said:
I rewatched The Aviator just last night and was thinking the same thing; how could he not win over Million Dollar shi*fest ? And of course Gangs but they give it to Chicago ?

WTF is going on in the Academy's head's ?

It is not about origina, I respect that, but this is a different film. Different actors, different everything

The story is similiar but so what

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I swear to god; if Marty does not win I'm gonna nut
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Things could have been worse, John...it could have lost to that total piece of ****, American Beauty if it had competed in 2000.
 
You bastard Blaine ! :beer: :Drogar-Dum(DBG): :Drogar-Evil(DBG): :beer:

Who were we gonna give it too ? The Cider House people ?

The more I think of Marty being disrespected .....
 
John_Hudson said:
You bastard Blaine ! :beer: :Drogar-Dum(DBG): :Drogar-Evil(DBG): :beer:

Who were we gonna give it too ? The Cider House people ?

The more I think of Marty being disrespected .....
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The Sixth Sense...perhaps.
 
Blaine said:
The Sixth Sense...perhaps.
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I dunno, Blaine... As much as I enjoyed Sixth Sense, and as much as I admire M. Night Shyamalan, I don't believe its "best film" worthy. Best Directing? Maybe. I don't feel that the Sixth Sense is as relevant as Gangs, for Example...

Maybe the Village should've had a nomination- It's a much more deeply tought movie, in my opinion...

And, if not for the pretentious role and terrible acting in Lady, it should've also get a nomination there...

And here we go to M. Might again...

Scorcese here, Scorcese!!

Chicago was highly overrated. The musical that should've won should have been Moulin ROuge- a timeless classic that's also a class in modern moviemaking. Its so well layered and done that I rate it as one of the best musicals ever...The lighting, the acting, the context of the music with pop culture, the expressionist language of the whole film... Unpretentious, but deep in its simple story... I loved it !
 
John_Hudson said:
Nice post SPX

I don't know

If Marty get;s robbed for a 5th time

I can't fathom that

What if ?
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SPX- sounds like some kind of new Shell Racing fuel oil there... :)

EDIT- Or maybe an old generation SD P2 camera :)...

John, I'm for it for best movie. The closest to it is Babel, in my opinion, and its a tough call for best directing: Babel is very, very well shot, and it had the added challenge of being a year-long worldwide shoot.

Compared to the Departed, however, it falls short in the screenplay and acting department, in my opinion. Overall winner should be Marty, this time. But the academy really like "puzzle structured" movies like Babel... ( Traffic, Crash...)
 
SPZ said:
I dunno, Blaine... As much as I enjoyed Sixth Sense, and as much as I admire M. Night Shyamalan, I don't believe its "best film" worthy. Best Directing? Maybe. I don't feel that the Sixth Sense is as relevant as Gangs, for Example...

Maybe the Village should've had a nomination- It's a much more deeply tought movie, in my opinion...

And, if not for the pretentious role and terrible acting in Lady, it should've also get a nomination there...

And here we go to M. Might again...

Scorcese here, Scorcese!!

Chicago was highly overrated. The musical that should've won should have been Moulin ROuge- a timeless classic that's also a class in modern moviemaking. Its so well layered and done that I rate it as one of the best musicals ever...The lighting, the acting, the context of the music with pop culture, the expressionist language of the whole film... Unpretentious, but deep in its simple story... I loved it !
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I have no idea what to say here.

I agree with John that Conrad Hall is a great cinematographer, but I just don't think that movie had that something extra to carry best picture.

You're putting yourself out there with The Village. Haven't you seen the hatred around here that that movie inspires? Personally, it's my second favorite by Night.
I've enjoyed everyone of his movies...some more than others...but I've yet to be disappointed. That said, The Sixth Sense was something special. It came out of nowhere and renewed an excitement in the movies.

The Departed is going to garner Marty his first Oscar. One he should have gotten for Raging Bull. One he should have gotten for Goodfellas. He doesn't need to apologize for winning this one. His complaint should be that this should have been #3 or #4. I personally didn't think The Aviator was that great. It was good but not great. Gangs was good, not great. Taxi Driver was seminal but not the kind of movie that was going to win the big one...personally, I liked Mean Streets better than Taxi Driver.

And, hey, how about The Last Waltz for best Documentary?
 
Aweome post B Masta

I am in the camp

Marty shhould have won for TAXI DRIVER, RAGING BULL, GOODFELLAS, GANGS and THE AVIATOR

Yeah that's right
 
Blaine, I had exactly the same feeling while watching the Sixth Sense... However, "Life Is Beautiful" also gave me that same feeling.

The thing is: is my "enjoyment"of the "magic" of cinema worth the academy award for "best film"? Sixth Sense was one of the films I enjoyed more that year, but was it the one who should've won "" Best Film? " I don't know, really... While a layered movie that deals with communication problems and prejudices, it just seemed, to me, a film that didn't aim for a best film award. It was unpretentious, and masterfully done, but, overall, not Best Film worthy in my opinion...

Life is Beautiful was a much more significant movie (comparing films with that "movie magic, here :)"). And the Village, too... M. Night seems to be maturing with his movies, in my opinion, and maybe, just maybe, he's trying to please too much all audiences on this journey of growing as a director... Add to that too much self awareness (with the significance he gives to criticism- the critic- and self casting as a profet), and we have one of the most talented filmmakers of this generation in a very important crossroad of his career...

As for Marty, in my opinion, every sequence in the aviator is a masterclass in cinema- I can practically see all the teory and tought behind every frame. Its not "pure talent" framing like Shyamalan or Wong Kar Wai, for example were the artistic sensibility of the director is reflected on the camera movement and the way the camera is framed, but framing with imense knowledge in cinema, where every shot has a purpose, and has a point to be shot that way. Effects are not used for flash over substance, but to really add to the story and to the message it wants to pass across. I loved the Aviator, as I loved Taxi Driver, which is Marty more raw and using the camera more based on raw talent, and less theory (which he obviously gained over the years).

Of course, all this is my very own opinion... :)
 
Guys the oscars are rigged. didn't you hear that story a while back about some actress (FORGET HER NAME!!) had a like 18 second cameo in some film and was nominated for an oscar.
 
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