The best, most effective slow motion

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Toaster

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I've seen a number of posts relating to effective slow motion processes, but I'm wondering if anyone has had a particularly stellar experience with the DVX.

Using:
- DVX, 24p (not pa)
- FCP 4.5

- Did you shoot 60i
- Did you convert 60i to 60fps, then to 24 fps
- How did you do it?

- Did you shoot 30fps
- Did you convert 30 fps to 24 fps?
- How did you do it?

I'll take recommendations/instructins and post using those examples.

(Santa, please deliver the HVX ... now!)
 
Toaster,

As most posts about slow motion come up, we find that people usually shoot 60i and play it back at 60%. That's what is most effective from what I've read 50 times.
 
the best slowmo i've seen on here is a basketball clip...i forget who did it...
i'll try to find it for you.

he has all the specs and his method posted as well:thumbsup:
 
aw crap, his link is broken...

well, take my word for it- his slo mo was SLICK

so if you follow his suggestions i think you'll be in good shape:beer:
 
Shooting at 30p and inserting the footage into a 24p time line will give you the highest quality results possible from a DVX (but only a 20% speed reduction). Shooting at 60i will give you a much more speed reduction, but with a noticeable loss of quality.
 
Justin_Kirch said:
Toaster,

As most posts about slow motion come up, we find that people usually shoot 60i and play it back at 60%. That's what is most effective from what I've read 50 times.
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60% or 40%?
 
Cool. I've run several test and so far i've yielded the sharpest, cleanest, most liquid slo-mo with the following:

- Shoot 30P
- Shutter = 120
- Pull into 29.97 timeline
- Reduce speed to 60%

Looks pretty awesome so far. Will continue to tweek and play around.

Side note: Shutter rtes higher than 120 are producing a very staccato look. Not liquid at all. Also pulling 30p (at 120 or higher shutter rate) into a 24p timeline produces a very staccato look as well. hmm...

Examples coming soon.
 
kinda thought barrys book said 60i should be slowed to 40% and 30p to 80%... maybe i just remember wrong.

cool lemme try it out.
 
Hey X2, yeah -- I have Barry's book (kicks a$$) but I'm looking for a slower slo-mo. At 80% it just hints at slo-mo. 60% seems to be the floor .. anything below that looks forced and unnatural ...
 
x2, i didn't mean to sound like an ass. i've read slo-mo threads about 500 times and most, not all, have said that 60i played back at 60% have been ideal.
 
i did a few slomo tests a while back when i first got barry's book...
I followed his methods exactly and both worked great.
the only problem I found was shooting 60i- the playback on my editor's timeline was flawless, but once I rendered out, it was getting duplicate frames every 5th frame.
so I guess i'm just hitting a wall in my rendering methods.
I kind of gave up after that, maybe I should give it another go.
so I guess i'm just hitting a wall in my rendering methods.

here's my test, if you go frame by frame you can see how every other frame is a duplicate.

http://www.t-mun-e.com/movies/slomotest.mov
 
lol guys it's just that many NLEs are different in that respect. In some you have to enter the desired clip speed, which in the 60i24p case should be 40%. And in the others you have to enter the amount by which you want to slow the clip down, which is 60%.

40% out of 60 = 24
 
yea it also has to do with your settings. in a few frustrating hours, i have been trying to get this damn 60i clip to play smoothy slowe d down, at 80% 60% and 40%. in a 24P timeline.


and i have been getting that duplicate frames thing.

BUT!!!!!

i discovered somehting, 40% can yield a DEAD smooth super slomotion, in vegas at least. Right click the event in the timeline go to properties, change its playback rate to .4 (40%) and then choose smart resample, with "reduce " interlace flicker checked either on or off ( i am not at my computer now, so i cant remeber exactly.) but i rendered like 9 samples with these various settings. and i found a magic setting.

i actually ( like a dork) too ka picture of the settings scren so i can replicate it. i will post footage of the test tomorrow. you atually can use 40%, you just have to set it up the rightway.
 
xl70e3 said:
lol guys it's just that many NLEs are different in that respect. In some you have to enter the desired clip speed, which in the 60i24p case should be 40%. And in the others you have to enter the amount by which you want to slow the clip down, which is 60%.

40% out of 60 = 24
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yup thatwas probably the misunderstanding.
 
Ok herewe go. 60i dropped to Play back at 40% speed. (B&W)

And the origional in Color.


most of the clip wont be used, of course, as its just cut away, and noone wants o see teh same image for 30 seconds in a music video but, they are there in their entirety.

FYI this is the firs time i am posting footage!
I am very excited!

http://www.stickypod.com/stickypod_upload/uploads/Slomotest2.mov


http://www.stickypod.com/stickypod_upload/uploads/Origional.mov

Incase the links dont work, i actualy am not sure how to link it properly.
http://www.stickypod.com/stickypod_upload/index.php?module=main-gallery&gallery=101


the settings were as follows.

IN VEGAS 5.0

<<<<Playback rate .400
29.97 clip framerate

Smart resample.

reduce interlace flicker off.>>>>

it worked great, i ahve been struggling with slomo for weeks now. ( i never needed it before thsi current project)

and this seemed to work.

reduce interlace flicker can be on, but it just seems to further soften the image. FYI the compression of DV really comes out when you slow it down alot. in the shadow side of the guys face, its all pixelated. ( i n the origional ) the .MOV version is kinda pixelated all over.... i am not good with this compression thing.

enjoy. hope its help ful.
 
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