Switched to FCPX - A continuing commentary on FCPX

TheReverend

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-FCPX-

It's been the subject of countless debate and ridicule over the past months, with many airing it's faults continuously and few praising it as a great NLE. Many have questioned whether FCPX deserves the "Pro" label and also Apple's commitment (or apparent lack thereof) to the professional market. I don't think I need to go into much more description than this to summarize the current state and debacle that is FCPX.

In starting this thread, I aim to give feedback on and examples of using FCPX in the workplace. We recently decided to do a few upgrades to our video department which include a gigabit network backbone and a NAS storage unit. As part of this we decided that FCPX would best solve our workplace issues. For starters, I should send you this link http://www.crossing-church.com so you can see who we are and what we do.

1) Yes, we are a church. But that doesn't lessen our commitment to deliver top-quality video. The Crossing is attended on average by 2100 people weekly in 4 locations (up to 4000+ on some occasions). We currently use 3 HDSDI cams in a switching environment (that is projected live on screens) that record weekly a 1hour service on Saturday night, that is then rendered and delivered to 3 video campuses on Sunday morning. We recently produced a 30sec commercial that went to local cable access, and have 3 more lined up for 2011. We produce a weekly news show, shoot other classes and events, produce DVD of services, make internal video ads, make creative videos for use in services, deliver all or many of these videos to web... The list goes on. On average, counting all videos made, we produce and deliver anywhere from 4-10 videos a week.

2) We are primarily volunteer based. I am the Video Production head here at the church. I have 2 part-time staff; one that supervises live event switching shoots, and one that supervises projection and does some editing on the side. Other than that, we have volunteers that fill in all the gaps in terms of camera operators, editors, set hands, actors, graphics, etc. We have particular needs for workers in the editing department, and thus have chosen FCPX because of it's shorter learning curve as we are finding it necessary to train volunteers who come in with ZERO editing experience.

3) We are Mac-based in all our service display computers as well as all our video department. We started using FCP7 back in 2006/2007 and have upgraded the software with each update (currently FCS3). We currently have 2 HPX170s that use P2 DVCPROHD. We have 1 AF100 that we use AVCHD on SDHC cards. We have a DVX100b as a backup or auxiliary camera that uses DV tapes. We have and use the Adobe Production Suite for After Effects, Photoshop, Illustrator, and considered switching to Premiere Pro but chose against it. We use a Panasonic AW-HS50 for live switching, and we capture HDSDI live currently via FCP7 using a 8-core Mac Pro with a Blackmagic Decklink HD to internal software RAID. We have never done any tape archiving or tape delivery (other than source DV tapes from the DVX100) and all our data is currently stored on hard drives, although we have done limited archive of source footage but have archived in ProRes many delivered videos. We have acquired a NAS RAID this week, and we will be integrating that into our 3-station video area over the next week.

So obviously we have needs that others may not have (training editors, no tape needs, significant but limited delivery to outside video broadcast). But I don't think that negates usefulness of sharing our experience with FCPX and also the results of using FCPX as our main edit utility. And, the breadth of our current needs and workflow should be very informative to others considering FCPX. And so, onto the first post...
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-News Segment-

As stated above we do a weekly news segment that gives "announcements" to 4 campuses about different things that are happening at The Crossing. We recently revamped our news segment (started in September) using a new-to-us technique of "black screen". We are extremely happy with the results, although the background work for the new news was proving to be VERY time consuming in the graphics department. The workflow was initially FCP7 ingest and edit. XML export from FCP7 to After Effects CS5. CC and graphics in AE. Render ProRes from AE CS5 and import into FCP7 project. Final adjustments and render.

With the addition of FCPX this week, we decided to try and do the new ENTIRELY within FCPX to see how it fares. The workflow was, import into FCPX. Edit cuts, audio, graphics, CC all in FCPX and export via Compressor 4. What we discovered was that despite needing to learn a new software, FCPX proved faster to post-produce the news. Our fairly inexperienced editors had NO trouble learning the new interface and doing the graphics (which they previously had issues learning and adjusting to AE), which also made this the most volunteer made news we have ever done.

Below are two videos, one produced via FCP7->AE->FCP7, and the other done entirely in FCPX. They have NOT been labelled as to which is which. Watch, enjoy, and give your thoughts!
(NOTE: There is an "ad" for "The Experiement" in one of the videos. This was produced in AE done entirely outside the news segment and has no bearing on which video is which.)
Password for both is: fcpx

http://vimeo.com/29432438

http://vimeo.com/29432294
 
Top video is FCP7, bottom video is FCPX, never afraid of making a fool of myself.
Must better Key in the bottom video, but I suspect that maybe related to a better video format and SDI combination.
I like the editing in first video just a tap better.
Overall, love your stuff Reverend!
 
Top video is FCP7, bottom video is FCPX, never afraid of making a fool of myself.Must better Key in the bottom video, but I suspect that maybe related to a better video format and SDI combination.I like the editing in first video just a tap better. Overall, love your stuff Reverend!
Thanks!

I think I'll hold off the reveal for a day or so to get some more responses. Interesting observations! A couple quick things:
1) Both were shot in the same location & lighting setup. AF100 @1080p24 AVCHD Tokina 16-50 2.8 lens. Both projects were edited and rendered in 720p to allow for scaling and moving of the news person without quality loss.
2) This isn't a green screen! Crazy, but true! We pulled the technique from a place called Church On The Move. If you are interested in the technique, check out this link: http://seeds.churchonthemove.com/blog/post/162
 
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Jesus! This is so not the church I went to when I was a kid. :-)
Excellent! That's exactly what we've been aiming for; our line is, "Church for people who don't "do" church." Trying to bring Jesus to people that don't do old tradition.

I know that religion is not a conversation for DVXUser, so we should keep the discussion about video for our purposes, not church in general.
 
First link: FCPX
Second link: FCP7

I feel like you may have given it away, but I will stop there until you reveal. I started video production a year ago at our Church with a shoestring budget, but we are in the early phases and have a lot of work to do to improve. We are pure volunteer based and use remote cameras to record each service for public access tv. Unfortunately, our IT group is PC-minded and we have struggled to create good quality by using Premier Elements (really amature software) on a WIN7 machine. I have experience with Premier Pro, but the budget didn't allow for that at the time. Examples like your church help me sell the need for a Mac and FCPX. Nice work and fun looking church!
 
First link: FCPXSecond link: FCP7I feel like you may have given it away, but I will stop there until you reveal. I started video production a year ago at our Church with a shoestring budget, but we are in the early phases and have a lot of work to do to improve. We are pure volunteer based and use remote cameras to record each service for public access tv. Unfortunately, our IT group is PC-minded and we have struggled to create good quality by using Premier Elements (really amature software) on a WIN7 machine. I have experience with Premier Pro, but the budget didn't allow for that at the time. Examples like your church help me sell the need for a Mac and FCPX. Nice work and fun looking church!
Thanks! We like it here :)

I would say two things:
1) The Adobe Production Premium pack is essential to any post production IMO. If you are on PC, it's an outstanding value. Push getting that upgrade. I advise hitting up http://www.CDW.com and talking to them about a non-profit version of the Production Suite. About $500 if I remember right. Worth EVERY penny!

2) FCPX is cheaper than ever, and if working with untrained volunteers, I don't think you can do better. An iMac (from the refurb store) and FCPX with Motion and Compressor will run you in total about $1500. Thats a really good edit machine. Depending on your situation, this might be a good choice.

But either way, try to get a good tool to do the job. We decided (correctly) that the capacity of our tools was hindering our ability to grow the department, train, and divide up projects. Adobe Production Suite will help you in so many ways to at least start down that road.
 
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The first clip is obviously FCPX because you're using the "camera view" template. Which is what FCPX is going to bring to the market: lots of overused, identifiable effects.
 
1) The Adobe Production Premium pack is essential to any post production IMO. If you are on PC, it's an outstanding value. Push getting that upgrade. I advise hitting up http://www.CDW.com and talking to them about a non-profit version of the Production Suite. About $500 if I remember right. Worth EVERY penny!2) FCPX is cheaper than ever, and if working with untrained volunteers, I don't think you can do better. An iMac (from the refurb store) and FCPX with Motion and Compressor will run you in total about $1500. Thats a really good edit machine.

Exactly my point. We aren't to your level of production or time commitment yet, but trying to edit just an hour long service is pretty much a nightmare with Adobe Elements. We are capturing live using a BM Decklink HD card as well straight from our switcher, but really lack in post tools, so that will be my next push. Thanks for the advice!
 
The first clip is obviously FCPX because you're using the "camera view" template. Which is what FCPX is going to bring to the market: lots of overused, identifiable effects.
What is "camera view" template? I have no idea what that is, and we didn't use any templates for anything...

OH! I gotcha. You are talking about the camera view thing in "The Experiment" promo video. Like i said though, that was done SEPARATELY from the overall news vid. We debated about adding that in actually, and votes for it were higher than votes against. You really don't think it fit the vibe of that promo?
 
That's funny TheReverend, I didn't realize you were local. I live 5-10 minutes from the Elk River campus and have been contemplating checking The Crossing out for over a year now, but haven't yet.
 
That's funny TheReverend, I didn't realize you were local. I live 5-10 minutes from the Elk River campus and have been contemplating checking The Crossing out for over a year now, but haven't yet.
Really? That's pretty cool, you should drop by sometime! Saturday nights is the time that we do the turnover for video services. If you hit up a 5pm service, ask for Pastor Dave and they'll take you right to me. I can show you our stuff and give you a mini tour. Though, I'm not sure how clean and organized we will be this weekend as we are testing/using the gigabit network for the first time, and also getting ready for the NAS. So you'd have to imagine it cleaner! :D
 
I'll keep that in mind. This Saturday I have prior engagements, so it'll have to be another Saturday. Thanks for the offer tho. Also if you ever need a freelance shooter let me know.
 
The first clip is obviously FCPX because you're using the "camera view" template. Which is what FCPX is going to bring to the market: lots of overused, identifiable effects.

That's only true if you're going to use those templates. I switched one of my regular gigs over to FCPX to get native H264 editing and speed up turnaround, and it pretty much looks exactly the same as it did before (except I no longer have to transcode all the footage).
 
That's only true if you're going to use those templates. I switched one of my regular gigs over to FCPX to get native H264 editing and speed up turnaround, and it pretty much looks exactly the same as it did before (except I no longer have to transcode all the footage).

And really, that's only true depending on your audience. We've never pulled a "in-camera" look for anything, and it lended believability to this piece IMO. It was a super quick turn-around on that promo, like 1 day from concept to execution. The tape is actually a still meant to look like footage. We didn't have time to find a tape deck and stage the shoot, so comping it and making it appear as much like "footage" as possible was the goal. I think we hit that goal pretty well.
 
Alright, so some of you guessed correctly and said the first clip was FCPX, and the second was FCP7. Some did not guess it correctly, and if it wasn't for the "camera view template", my guess is few would have guessed and also if you A/B the quality between the two, I would guess that most would like the look of the first over the second. I know I do...

Moving on, I'll list some of the good points that we have come across so far, and a couple of the bad points.

AWESOME STUFF!
1) Color Correction, although a bit awkward at first without the wheel, works fantastically well, and FAR BETTER than using any color-correction tools in FCP7 (except maybe MBLooks). The quality of the color and the shifting is far less degrading, and the color picker is far simpler and in the end effective than FCP7's lack luster filters.
2) Renders ARE faster. Particularly with 10.0.1 I've noticed that the Core i5 in our 27" iMac is screaming fast. FCP7 i feel is left in the dust.
3) Audio leveling is far simpler and more effective than in FCP7, and LOADS easier to train. The "loudness" (compression) tool works well and is easy to get good results quickly.
4) Full screen preview, adjustments while playing back video. Performance is FAR improved.
5) Editing while the footage is being imported. Is. Amazing. We shoot, take the SD card upstairs, and start editing. There is NO WAITING. That is huge in my mind. Feels so organic!

So so stuff that needs work...
1) Media Management is good, but a bit fiddly at times. Sometime background tasks can lock up what you are attempting to do, especially if you are moving around projects/events etc. Overall, pretty happy with the state of Events, media and projects being managed in the application. Seems to work well.
2) Keyframe editing. At times it seems awesome, and at sometimes it seems to fall short. The expanding visualizer for the particular item in the timeline is good, but sometimes it doesn't show what you need or would like to see. This could use some touch up.
3) Copying specific effects/parameters is none existent. You can "copy effects", but you have to be extra careful because it also copies transform options, and other stuff. Also, when saving a color correction, it doesn't seem to save the color picking data, which means you can't use that as a instant copy of color correction from one clip to another. It's not impossible to do what you want to, but it just doesn't work like it should.


Next big update will be our new NAS/SAN or whatever you call in. We installed it today and began using it, but I will post more after we have more use out of it. I will say that the SAN/NAS will work well for what we want to do! So we are stoked.

Anyway, feel free to ask any questions or make any comments concerning my reflections stated above.
 
Nice review, but I'd disagree about Media Management, as there is a system in place that most folks simply haven't become aware of yet. As a trainer and Final Cut Server guy, I've found my FCSvr users take to FCP X's metadata/database paradigm as second nature, it's actually a more sophisticated way to work with "digital" assets. I have a complete course on this coming out soon.

Are you aware you can in fact specify what you want in the Visualizer? It's not blatantly obvious to a lot of folks, but much of the Visualizer can be specified to what you want to see. Working along with the Inspector, I find using both at together, not as separate entities, to be very fast, very accurate.

Really like your examination and conclusions. I may be presenting FCP X at a house of worship conference coming up, and am very happy to see FCP X works well for this market.
 
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