Support gear - Putting up a sound package ;)

taubkin

taubkin

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Listening to the sound samples posted here and comparing the prices and the comments on everybody here, I kinda got an idea of how to put togheter a little sound package. Since Sound is not my first priority, and I want to hire people (with quality gear) when I need, I kinda need to have a kit with passable audio (I have a lot more criteria then most my clients, but I wouldn't buy anything that wasn't passable by my own standards), availiable for when I don't have money to hire nobody (I can always recruit one of my friends (film students) to run the boom after I actually own some equipment... (besides I just heard of a gig I could apply for if I had some kind of directional mic...)


So I came to this conclusion. I'll buy an AT4073a, and an Oktava with Hiper cap. (If anybody think the oktava will not be used because the AT will always sound superior please say so, I'm imagining the Oktava to trounce the AT in closed interiors)

And since this purchase will have a lot to do with some of Matt's comments and samples (I would never had heard of the oktava if it wasn't for his post) I did consider the support/wind protection system he reccomended, the KSSM and the Rycote mini-blimp. But I was trying to kill all my support needs with only one equipment, so I'm kinda thinking I should buy a used Rycote zeppelin that could fit both mics. Are they in the same league regarding their size? will the oktava be a little too short to share the same blimp with the AT? What would be the best route to go regarding the many, many support options here?

Thanks!
 
Re: Support gear - Putting up a sound package ;)

This is a tough call.

For simplicity sake you could get a CS1 for around $730 or so and have a mic that will ace any interior and work okay for close range exteriors.

That would give you a single mic solution to keep it simple as can be. Pole, mount, mic, blimp, done.

Okay now the other side of that argument:

I found the 4073a to SOUND much better then the CS1... mainly because it was warmer and more natural sounding... and the 4073a has a TON of reach... it's VERY sensitive.

It's those qualities that have made me choose the 4073a over other mics and it's the lack of warmth (in MY opinion... listen and decide for yourself) that's kept me away from the CS1 so far.

And the Oktava has saved me indoors many times and even outdoors on at least one occasion. So I really like that cheap-ass little mic too.

If you ask somebody, "Should I use a CS1 or Schoeps mk41 indoors?" 99.99% of them will say Schoeps. In my use and direct comparison the Oktava doesn't have the detail or near the sensitivity of the Schoeps... but it does actually sound similar and it PERFORMS the same in an indoor setting... just gain up the mic as needed. Equalizing the gain for the Schoeps and the Oktava makes them sound amazingly similar in character and tone.

So there you have it. I could seriously go either way. If I wanted simplicity first I'd get the CS1 and use it for everything. If you don't mind going to the extra expense of seperate windprotection systems the Oktava/AT may be for you... You could use the KSSM for all of these anyway.
 
Re: Support gear - Putting up a sound package ;)

Maybe I could buy the CS-1 with a kit and if I ever need some punch in exteriors I could ad an AT later (perhaps these two could share a blimp...). I didn't know the CS-1 worked interiors so good. Maybe I should go a 1-mic solution, and still hire people/rent other stuff as needed... I guess I'm back to thinking... Good thing nobody is in rush to actually PAY me... ;)
 
Re: Support gear - Putting up a sound package ;)

I don't think you'd be upset with that solution... the Sankens are still world class mics.

It's the polar pattern that makes 'em work anywhere... and no shotgun does a really good job at long distances outdoors.

Really for truly professional sound you could consider 10' a good maximum distance anyway... as I said in another post I sometimes use a 19" long gun and even then I don't plan to use it for more then 20-40' of reach max. And in a showdown of a super long gun at 20' or a short gun at 5'... the short gun will always win. Booming is the answer. Short distance from mic to mouth is the answer.

What's the question? How do I get the best possible audio?

If you couldn't tell from my first reply, I'd feel pretty confident about your probability of success if you go with the Sanken. It saves you from a lot of experimentation and guess-work.
 
Re: Support gear - Putting up a sound package ;)

Thanks Matt, now that I slept on it it seems to be the best choice... I like the bargain prices o the other models, but thruth be told, if I can make them work for the gigs I have in the horizon, it will be mostly interior use, and now I'm pretty sure th Sanken will be able to handle them, I'll take the closed-range exteriors as a bonus. So I guess I'm back at running after my money...
 
Re: Support gear - Putting up a sound package ;)

Hi Taubkin,

Great to see other brazilians here, we are so few!! :(

I am located in São Paulo as well, we could share some common knowledge. I have just boht the DVX100a, it is getting here in 1 week and have already shot a short script film.

Would like to see your work as well. Do you know any any other brazilian guys at this forum?

e-mail me at: danielxm@performance.com.br ;D


Rgs,

Daniel
 
Re: Support gear - Putting up a sound package ;)

Octava 012 are very sensative to handling noise. You will need a very good shockmount and a very good boom person.
 
Sorry to be dim guys, but I take it that the Oktava 012 won't fit (work) in the blimp for the AT4073A? Also, who makes the CS1?
Thanks,
Mike
 
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