Strange "red" pixel...

but u have to admit that the majority of people won't watch a movie like "nouvelle vague" by jean luc godard... (for me one of his best movies)... and btw: many different movies??? where??? I see always the same type of movies... sequels & remakes... batman the begins, superman returns,smallville on hdtv, bewitched, charlie & the c.f., big momma's house2...
 
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Emanuel said:
For Christ's sake, there are different markets so many different movies...and so many different crews and their needs!
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that's my turn to retort the compliment..

some companies or manufacturers are thinking that we are silly boys..

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as we can't see what the part of the cake they are wanting to eat..
 
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vincent_price said:
but u have to admit that the majority of people won't watch a movie like "nouvelle vague" by jean luc godard... (for me one of his best movies)
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godard or any other major indie.. mainly the american ones.. to me it's more like the case of the million of colors that's possible to aim with a non-greedy policy..
 
filmmaker1977 said:
godard or any other major indie.. mainly the american ones.. to me it's more like the case of the million of colors that's possible to aim with a non-greedy policy..
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U right
 
Ari--

Yes it would be cool if you guys offered some package(s) with a lens. Perhaps even a couple with:
1) el-cheapo-maybe-not-quite-as-good-as-we'd-like-it-but-still-better-than-just-shooting-HVX.
2) Nicer "all-purpose" zoom... but still on the cheaper end of the price bracket. No $50K Cookes.

That zoom range on the one you specified does seem pretty bonkers. I mean-- if people want really specific lenses, or really great lenses, they can rent them on occasion.

It would be beyond stupid to bundle it with a $50K lens. If someone really wants to buy a lens like that they'll go out and buy it of their own accord. What we (the general cost-conscious folks that are interested in this camera) need are some nice meat & potatoes get-the-job done lenses-- options that don't break the bank. Other zany focal lengths or super-high-quality-glass would be occasional rental items.
-Kevin
 
Why not the Nikon F mount plus the Fuji c mount lenses as wideangle solution? Shouldn't it be enough? Will it not be?
 
hemophilia said:
Ari--

Yes it would be cool if you guys offered some package(s) with a lens.

2) Nice "all-purpose" zoom... but still on the cheaper end of the price bracket. No $50K Cookes. That zoom range on the one you specified does seem pretty bonkers.
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Kevin,

How much are you willing to spend on your "all-purpose" zoom (I assume you represent the model indie and you will be responding for the community at large)?

Would you prefer a Manual Zoom with gears for rack focus?

Would the manual lens need gears too (Emanuel)?

Should we offer an optimized 35mm adaptor/relay-lens/ground-glass system? F-mount or Canon? What would be a reasonable price point for this assembly?

Would you be a typical customer to buy a Silicon DVR (camera/recording package) or just a Mini and use your own recording system (just to save a few Yen)?

Thank you for the continued support and feedback.

Ari
 
lol

sell the popcorn.. good idea.. :( i'm sorry.. now i just remembered what it's necessary to do to sell it.. :crybaby: maybe, it's not so good at all.. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

but hotcakes it will be better than those crappy movies..
 
Ari Presler said:
Kevin,
How much are you willing to spend on your "all-purpose" zoom (I assume you represent the model indie and you will be responding for the community at large)?
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As much as it takes and not a penny more. :P Sorry I can't give a better answer, but I really am on the low-end scale of the type of person that would be interested in this-- from a budgetary perspective that is. I shot DVX for a few years, now we've been shooting on the HVX. The SI-Eve would be a SERIOUS step-up, both in quality and price. I'm not trying to knock the price-point you guys are targetting. I think it's quite competitive really, and I think you'll do well. My point is that aside from the few Nikkor f-mount lenses I own, I don't know a damn thing about lenses b/c they've been built-in to the Pannies.

Ari Presler said:
Would you prefer a Manual Zoom with gears for rack focus?
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Yes. For better or worse it's the 'cinema-style' and that's what people want.

Ari Presler said:
Should we offer an optimized 35mm adaptor/relay-lens/ground-glass system? F-mount or Canon? What would be a reasonable price point for this assembly?
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In another post Jason Rodriguez said you plan on offerring "interchangeable lens mounts (F, PL, B4, and C), so you can put really any lens you can get your hands around on this camera."

If that is in fact the case (and I really hope it is), I don't see the need for such an assembly. Your sensor size (if I'm not mistaken) places it squarely between a 16mm and 35mm image size (a 2/3rd-inch sensor is ~17mm... which is between the 12mm-24mm image-areas of 16mm and 35mm film respectively). The point being that the depth of field thing should be a non-issue. People can buy a wicked-wide [aperture] lens and get DOF very very very similar to 35mm film. If there are still crazies out there that are so obsessed with 35mm-equivalent sensor size, let them waste their time doing DIY ground glass projects.

Ari Presler said:
Would you be a typical customer to buy a Silicon DVR (camera/recording package) or just a Mini and use your own recording system (just to save a few Yen)?
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I would be trying to save as many Yen as possible. So I would probably be getting just the Eve-Mini, most likely with an f-mount or something of the like. I suppose the good news with a camera like this is that its modularity lends itself to upgradeability. If a broke-ass like me manages to score a serious project and wants the added quality/convenience of your recording package with the sweet touch screen and all... I could upgrade months after initially just purchasing a camera head. But as far as my personal potential Eve-owning aspirations are concerned (which I think does reflect a lot of people on the board here), I'd probably be figuring out what the bare-minimum set-up I could use to kinda get my foot in the door would be. Then as time goes by hopefully upgradeing with fancy touch-screens and PL-mount billion-dollar 'cinema-quality' glass. So please keep the 'foot in the door' price as modest as possible. :)

And how's the audio going? ASIO support rockin' it yet? I for one would like to use an external firewire ASIO-driven device to record multi-channel high-res sound. You said elsewhere this couldn't be incorporated into .avi's b/c of a restriction on avi's.... so it would most likely be stand-alone .wav's instead. Any workflow ideas for this? It would be a shame to have such a wonderfully modern/hi-tech set-up, and be recording audio and video literally on the same computer system, yet to have non-synched sound and to have to go back with a damn clapper and line of every shot the old-school way.

Cheers,
Kevin
 
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Also the only way around the mult-channel aspect is either separate .wav's or Quicktime.

The Video-for-Windows AVI file format doesn't support multi-channel 24/96 audio.
 
Audio Support

Audio Support

16/48 audio (2 ch) is currently recorded in the AVI file. We also have some nice audio level meters so you can see what's happening. You can use any external device with standard Windows WAV drivers (not ASIO) or use on-board PC HD audio.

24/96 needs ASIO support with recording to QT, since video-for-windows is limited to two channels at 16/48. In order to get embedded 24/96, you will need equipment capable of 24/96 (such as a USB audio device, or on-board HD audio that can record at 24/96).

We still feel the best way to get good 24/96 is to use an external audio recording device and sync it with the camera. We can do that very nicely right now since we have time-of-day timecode, so you can sync everything up using a timecode slate, We will also have LTC syncing in the future, so you can slave the camera's timecode to the audio device if you choose.
 
As Jason often states: "Without good pre-amps, 24/96 is overkill . . . you're just digitizing noise and useless bits."
 
okay but there is who is recording to a laptop..

http://207.36.59.179/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=software;action=display;num=1072074316

what must i need to have it?.. man, i need your camera to doc work.. run & gun to the laptop and it will be enough..

external monitor, external battery, external device a, external device b, and i need a slave just to help with the weight of all this..

forget the hollywood business.. think in sundance as i already read i don't know where and you will have hollywood!

but first think about this: your camera is the most perfect INDIE cam that is available now to us.. sell like it hotcakes if you will get a COMPACT package to the laptop recording..

all the people with who i'm talking about your camera are saying the same..

handheld.. lighter.. easier..

so, please get a laptop solution to 24/96 audio recording and you must thank us our interest..

cheers man.. i like you but not so much as your Mini.. she rocks but with 24/96 audio..
 
USB Audio

USB Audio

Are you looking to have support something like this?

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