Stereoscopic 3D Camera Rigs vs. Panasonic's new 3D camcorder

[nosys70]

Well , it seems you don't understand, there is currently no MVC encoder that accept "illegal" format to output 3D MVC.
So you got no choice. If you want to get 3D MVC, you have to feed the encoder with the right format. either 1080p24 or 1280p60.
If you try that with Vegas, that is the only cheap option (with some limitation) it is possible that Vegas will do the conversion from the timeline for
you with all the problems inevitably involved with such conversion.
and currently there is around 30 3D movies available in the world (included AVATAR) and all of them are 24p and distributed only on bluray.
so yes, as you said, Hollywood is probably going the wrong way....

As for the "manual" settings of the TD10, yes there as some, just available thru the tiny touch screen. I already made my own opinion
about this kind of "manual" setting.


I don't understand why you want to fit that product in another range for what it has been made for.
Sony made the HXR-NX3D1 just for that purpose, offering the professional features for people who can afford the price difference.

 

[markr041]

The only reason I am responding is that you keep saying things that are incorrect. As long as you do that, I will add facts to correct. I don't quite understand what you are trying to accomplish by the misinformation you provide. Perhaps you are just genuinely ignorant, and I am therefore glad to be helping you out as well as any reader.

Here's one of your latest incorrect and misleading statements: "Well , it seems you don't understand, there is currently no MVC encoder that accept "illegal" format to output 3D MVC. "

1. The MVC 108060i 3D format is not "illegal," in fact it is officially now part of the 3D AVCHD spec 2.0 (you need to keep up) [http://www.avchd-info.org/format/index.html]. As is 108060p an official 2D AVCHD variant, btw. Neither are bluray spec yet.

2. Sony Vegas Pro accepts MVC 3D 108060i and is happy from the time line to spit out multiple variants of 3D MVC according to your specifications, including 108060i MVC or the official bluray 72060 or 108024p MVC. 72060p MVC 3D works pretty well from 108060i. In fact for action, it does much better than 108024p ever will.

Here's another incorrect statement: "As for the "manual" settings of the TD10, yes there as (sic) some, just available thru the tiny touch screen."

1. The touch screen is one of the largest of any camcorder (3.5") and among the highest resolution (and autosteroscopic 3D). But that is irrelevant:

2. More importantly, no, the manual controls are from a button/dial. You do NOT touch the screen at all to change manual settings. The screen, of course, shows you what you have done.

 

[nosys70]

well your info, is just like your link, only partially correct, but at the end it does not work. Devil is in the details
We do not care if 3D MVC support 27 different formats, we only care about what 3D blu-ray is supporting. Now.
And for instance the Sony TD10 is not able to give you an output you can encode into a 3D MVC bluray. so do not let hope
people to think they could purchase this camera ant they would be done.
This would be just a long way to painfull multi encoding, deinterlacing, resizing, 3:2 pulldown or 2:2:2:4 pulldown, sound resynchronisation to end up with a low quality 3D picture if not a low quality 2D picture.
But yes for family shot it still bring the wow effect to granma.....you do not even need Vegas, you just ask the cam to play its own edit of the shoot with one of the music embedded in camera. Tried once, works very nicely.

same for the button dial. Yes it works, but unfortunately there is only ONE button dial on the TD10, so managing several parameters with only ONE button seems to me far from what i expect from a "manual" camera.
And you forget to mention that most manual settings are NOT available when shooting 3D (shutter, aperture to name a few)


But if you are happy with your camera and what you get from it, who am i to say the contrary....
I would even be happy to sell you my TD10E for a good price...

 

[markr041]

Given how much incorrect information you have provided, it is funny for you to be a stickler on anything factual. Nothing I have said is incorrect, and if you look at all of my posts, not incomplete either. Unlike your posts, which are out and out wrong, as I have demonstrated. But that is besides the point. The issue is what is true and what is relevant.

To sum, the 3D MVC produced by the TD10 is not an offical bluray spec. Anyone who wants to make a bluray from it without conversion is out of luck. Many manual settings are unavailable in 3D.

On the other hand, it is easy to make a standard 3D bluray using $94 program from the TD10 3D videos, and they will be of very high quality. There are many examples of this. There are useful manual settings in 3D, including convergence, manual focus and exposure and AE shift. They can be adjusted with a dial - no poking on a screen necessary. There is a large, high-resolution glassless 3D screen for taking shots.

If you spend more money, you can get the same camera that has the option of shooting in one spec that is officially a bluray spec. If making blurays is your most important goal and you like 24p, that is certainly the better option.

Most sophisticated videographers who do not make a living making blurays, however, find 24p crippling and the bluray specs restrictive. There are now many ways to distribute and view 3D or 2D videos in higher quality than bluray allows. For the modern 3D videographer, again one who does not make a living making blurays, what is or is not a bluray spec is irrelevant. Optical disk technologies are old school, along with 24p. For commercial use, they are unfortunately a fact that must be dealt with. If your living depends on bluray distibution, you might look elsewhere than the TD10. Otherwise, adding 24p as a shooting option is not worth spending a lot more money (althjough you do get xlr for sound).