Re: Starting from Scratch: NLE Decision
walla walla BING BIIIING!!
disjecta!! what happend to the duck! ??? he was my soul mate. ...er i mean, he was cute.
it will take time to warm up to this new woodland creature.. alas little rodent.. youve got awfully little webbed shaped shoes to fill.
walla walla BING BIIIING!!
disjecta!! what happend to the duck! ??? he was my soul mate. ...er i mean, he was cute.
it will take time to warm up to this new woodland creature.. alas little rodent.. youve got awfully little webbed shaped shoes to fill.
Re: Starting from Scratch: NLE Decision
Vegas is optimized for dual processors. So is Liquid Edition.
You can make fair and valid arguments for the superiority of a G5/FCP system. But “most cost-effective” isn’t one of them. You can argue that it’s WORTH the extra money, but quite a few PC-based solutions do the same for (much) less.
Vegas is optimized for dual processors. So is Liquid Edition.
You can make fair and valid arguments for the superiority of a G5/FCP system. But “most cost-effective” isn’t one of them. You can argue that it’s WORTH the extra money, but quite a few PC-based solutions do the same for (much) less.
Collink
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Re: Starting from Scratch: NLE Decision
Everyone here had time to post while they were waiting for their render. Since I use Liquid Edition, it was rendering in the background, and I just kept on editing instead of jumping in on this thread earlier. I know Liquid 5.5 doesn't support native 24p (YET) and I still don't know about v6, so that strikes Pinnacle off your list since you need 24PA (for the time being) But don't forget to check Liquid out when considering an NLE platform. I used to use FCP on a G4 but I switched to PC's about 2 years ago when Edition first came out. Lots of great features many of the aforementioned apps don't have. Commence with the flaming! Pinnacle rarely gets much respect. But some of my friends (who are still FCP challenged) have seen my work and they say, "woah how'd you do that?", or "that must've taken a while" and when I say "Liquid Edition!", they get all huffy and complainy that Pinnacle is just a consumer grade POS. Well, they were all impressed up until that point. Break those pre-concieved notions. Pinnacle has a pretty cool system.
Everyone here had time to post while they were waiting for their render. Since I use Liquid Edition, it was rendering in the background, and I just kept on editing instead of jumping in on this thread earlier. I know Liquid 5.5 doesn't support native 24p (YET) and I still don't know about v6, so that strikes Pinnacle off your list since you need 24PA (for the time being) But don't forget to check Liquid out when considering an NLE platform. I used to use FCP on a G4 but I switched to PC's about 2 years ago when Edition first came out. Lots of great features many of the aforementioned apps don't have. Commence with the flaming! Pinnacle rarely gets much respect. But some of my friends (who are still FCP challenged) have seen my work and they say, "woah how'd you do that?", or "that must've taken a while" and when I say "Liquid Edition!", they get all huffy and complainy that Pinnacle is just a consumer grade POS. Well, they were all impressed up until that point. Break those pre-concieved notions. Pinnacle has a pretty cool system.
Re: Starting from Scratch: NLE Decision
I’m not going to flame, but as a Liquid Edition user . . .
Pinnacle is sneering at 24p, going full-bore for the HD dollars. I saw a live demonstration of LE 6 a few weeks ago, and spoke to Pinnacle bigwigs personally. Unless there’s some massive groundswell of demand for it, forget 24p in Liquid Edition.
I have LE 5.5 and enjoy many aspects of it, not the least of which being the background rendering. But it’s useless if I want a 24p workflow and looks to stay that way, by Pinnacle’s conscious decision.
I’m not going to flame, but as a Liquid Edition user . . .
Pinnacle is sneering at 24p, going full-bore for the HD dollars. I saw a live demonstration of LE 6 a few weeks ago, and spoke to Pinnacle bigwigs personally. Unless there’s some massive groundswell of demand for it, forget 24p in Liquid Edition.
I have LE 5.5 and enjoy many aspects of it, not the least of which being the background rendering. But it’s useless if I want a 24p workflow and looks to stay that way, by Pinnacle’s conscious decision.
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Re: Starting from Scratch: NLE Decision
Some cool features of LE6:
Background rendering
Instant Save (very cool)
DVD Authoring Straight from the time line,
with or without a menu.
Great for making a test copy to give to someone for feedback / approval.
The CX Color corrector is a VERY powerful tool
Some say it's the DaVinci of DV.
Quick storyboarding on the desktop.
1000's of realtime effects
dynamic timewarp (slow-mo / fast playback) can be keyframed and changes made smoothly on the fly
Open GL acceleration
Format agnostic timeline (in v6)
Cheap upgrades
Support for HD (in v6)
Some cool features of LE6:
Background rendering
Instant Save (very cool)
DVD Authoring Straight from the time line,
with or without a menu.
Great for making a test copy to give to someone for feedback / approval.
The CX Color corrector is a VERY powerful tool
Some say it's the DaVinci of DV.
Quick storyboarding on the desktop.
1000's of realtime effects
dynamic timewarp (slow-mo / fast playback) can be keyframed and changes made smoothly on the fly
Open GL acceleration
Format agnostic timeline (in v6)
Cheap upgrades
Support for HD (in v6)
Re: Starting from Scratch: NLE Decision
It would be nice to think that, but the OVERWHELMING impression I get is that they think 24p is just a fad and that everyone will abandon it for HDV or HD.
Maybe, if 24p becomes a standard offering in HD or HDV cameras, they’ll do something about it, but I’m not holding my breath. I’m not wasting my money on the Version 6 upgrade, even though I do very much like the numerous advantages you point out (which I think the other NLEs should incorporate).
It would be nice to think that, but the OVERWHELMING impression I get is that they think 24p is just a fad and that everyone will abandon it for HDV or HD.
Maybe, if 24p becomes a standard offering in HD or HDV cameras, they’ll do something about it, but I’m not holding my breath. I’m not wasting my money on the Version 6 upgrade, even though I do very much like the numerous advantages you point out (which I think the other NLEs should incorporate).
J_Barnes
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Re: Starting from Scratch: NLE Decision
See, out of the features you list, the only one that sounds novel is the direct DVD from timeline, and possably the openGL support. Everything else can accomplished in most other software packages with varying degrees of difficulty.
How's it integrate with photoshop, AE and Descreet?
See, out of the features you list, the only one that sounds novel is the direct DVD from timeline, and possably the openGL support. Everything else can accomplished in most other software packages with varying degrees of difficulty.
How's it integrate with photoshop, AE and Descreet?
Collink
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Re: Starting from Scratch: NLE Decision
My mistake, David and others see this link:
http://www.dilithium.com.au/edition/6/whats_new_le6.htm
Liquid Edition v6 DOES support 24p on the timeline.
The sneering at 24p has become a grin.
I'm really NOT bashing other NLE's I know Premier Pro users that are so used to the PP interface that LE's interface seems so weird and alien they could never get used to it. And they have too much work to do to give themselves enough time to get used to the interface. Everybody uses what works for them.
Edition is very stable, more so than FCP was for me when I used it. But all computers have hiccups occasionally. Instant Save has on a few occasions totally saved my a$$.
Example: The system locks, goes nowhere, you CTL-ALT-DEL, close the app. restart the program and when it comes up, everything you did up to the moment of the lock-up is still there, it even resumes background rendering right where it left off, NO loss of work, NO loss of time, No lost creativity, and the restart took 45 seconds. I only wish other programs I use were so equipped. I get spoiled not having to constantly worry about saving.
I've seen some amazing things done with the CX color corrector - Sure everybody else has a color corrector too - but NOT like this.
Other editors can do what LE does most of the time, but not always as easily for someone who is used to working with it. It does streamline and speed up your workflow comparitively.
My mistake, David and others see this link:
http://www.dilithium.com.au/edition/6/whats_new_le6.htm
Liquid Edition v6 DOES support 24p on the timeline.
The sneering at 24p has become a grin.
I'm really NOT bashing other NLE's I know Premier Pro users that are so used to the PP interface that LE's interface seems so weird and alien they could never get used to it. And they have too much work to do to give themselves enough time to get used to the interface. Everybody uses what works for them.
Edition is very stable, more so than FCP was for me when I used it. But all computers have hiccups occasionally. Instant Save has on a few occasions totally saved my a$$.
Example: The system locks, goes nowhere, you CTL-ALT-DEL, close the app. restart the program and when it comes up, everything you did up to the moment of the lock-up is still there, it even resumes background rendering right where it left off, NO loss of work, NO loss of time, No lost creativity, and the restart took 45 seconds. I only wish other programs I use were so equipped. I get spoiled not having to constantly worry about saving.
I've seen some amazing things done with the CX color corrector - Sure everybody else has a color corrector too - but NOT like this.
Other editors can do what LE does most of the time, but not always as easily for someone who is used to working with it. It does streamline and speed up your workflow comparitively.
Re: Starting from Scratch: NLE Decision
I read that before, which is why I asked Joe Figura, lead support engineer for Pinnacle, point-blank how v6 handles 24p. He did his best to downplay it.
It only supports 24p at HD resolutions and only IF it's *already* pure 24p. It will not remove pulldown. There is no complete workflow with the DVX. You can only edit in 24p if you do quite a bit of work to the footage first, with some other program(s).
And that's as good as useless, especially when every other alternative in its class gives you that workflow natively.
J, background rendering is invaluable. I had heard that Premiere Pro incorporated a limited form of it, but I'm not aware of any other NLE which does it. The ability to edit while the program automatically renders everything in the background is a huge advantage. The constant save feature is very nice, too.
The color corrector is hands-down the best of any NLE in the class, and the OpenGL support is fantastic.
There's a lot to like about Edition, but the few things it lacks are HUGE for me.
I read that before, which is why I asked Joe Figura, lead support engineer for Pinnacle, point-blank how v6 handles 24p. He did his best to downplay it.
It only supports 24p at HD resolutions and only IF it's *already* pure 24p. It will not remove pulldown. There is no complete workflow with the DVX. You can only edit in 24p if you do quite a bit of work to the footage first, with some other program(s).
And that's as good as useless, especially when every other alternative in its class gives you that workflow natively.
J, background rendering is invaluable. I had heard that Premiere Pro incorporated a limited form of it, but I'm not aware of any other NLE which does it. The ability to edit while the program automatically renders everything in the background is a huge advantage. The constant save feature is very nice, too.
The color corrector is hands-down the best of any NLE in the class, and the OpenGL support is fantastic.
There's a lot to like about Edition, but the few things it lacks are HUGE for me.
J_Barnes
Veteran
Re: Starting from Scratch: NLE Decision
Vegas, while the rendering method is super convoluted, allows for network rendering. I just imagine that when perfected, it would be a more effective use of processors to have a secondary machine doing renders while continuing to edit on your primary.
Obviously, vegas doesn't have their rendering to a point where can even say that I like it, but I think they're on the right track pursuing a networked processing model over something akin to background rendering. Who knows, maybe advances in architecture will prove that background rendering on a single workstation is the way to go.
Vegas, while the rendering method is super convoluted, allows for network rendering. I just imagine that when perfected, it would be a more effective use of processors to have a secondary machine doing renders while continuing to edit on your primary.
Obviously, vegas doesn't have their rendering to a point where can even say that I like it, but I think they're on the right track pursuing a networked processing model over something akin to background rendering. Who knows, maybe advances in architecture will prove that background rendering on a single workstation is the way to go.
Re: Starting from Scratch: NLE Decision
But in Vegas, whether you're network rendering or not, you still can't edit while you render. Maybe they will incorporate it at some point (I hope they do), but right now, you can't.
But in Vegas, whether you're network rendering or not, you still can't edit while you render. Maybe they will incorporate it at some point (I hope they do), but right now, you can't.
disjecta
Lucky Duck
Re: Starting from Scratch: NLE Decision
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disjecta!! what happend to the duck! ??? he was my soul mate. ...er i mean, he was cute.
it will take time to warm up to this new woodland creature.. alas little rodent.. youve got awfully little webbed shaped shoes to fill.[/quote]
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disjecta!! what happend to the duck! ??? he was my soul mate. ...er i mean, he was cute.
it will take time to warm up to this new woodland creature.. alas little rodent.. youve got awfully little webbed shaped shoes to fill.
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