standalone recording shotgun mic

[Peter C.]

To me the TASCAM DR-10X is the simplest and cheapest solution at $100.

DJI mic is a close second. I know you keep saying how you can't be bothered to mount it to the camera but do you realize how small and easy they are? There's 3.5mm cable that runs into the camera. The receiver is the size of a phone charger that could be left on the hot shoe.

To me this sounds like some sort of non professional run n gun and at the end of the day you're going to continue filming the way you have.

In all other paid circumstances audio should be a top priority and handled with care.

 

[JAMedia]

To me this sounds like some sort of non professional run n gun and at the end of the day you're going to continue filming the way you have.

In all other paid circumstances audio should be a top priority and handled with care.

100% agree with you.

BTW I do a lot of run and gun journalistic stuff and there is always a shotgun mounted on the camera and a G3 radio set in the bag along with a lav mic and a Rode Reporter. Preparation and discipline is all.

 

[Peter C.]

100% agree with you.

BTW I do a lot of run and gun journalistic stuff and there is always a shotgun mounted on the camera and a G3 radio set in the bag along with a lav mic and a Rode Reporter. Preparation and discipline is all.

I always have to remind myself to not take internet forum questions too seriously. If this was a paid gig to record interviews there no way one would go about it the way he describes.

 

[morgan_moore]

To me the TASCAM DR-10X is the simplest and cheapest solution at $100.

DJI mic is a close second. I know you keep saying how you can't be bothered to mount it to the camera but do you realize how small and easy they are? There's 3.5mm cable that runs into the camera. The receiver is the size of a phone charger that could be left on the hot shoe.

To me this sounds like some sort of non professional run n gun and at the end of the day you're going to continue filming the way you have.

In all other paid circumstances audio should be a top priority and handled with care.

The tascam seems to do the job, the senehier is the 'same' product at twice the price with some advantages. So Im not rejecting the tascam or its 'sibling' - I think they are what I need.

My hotshoe will be having a GPS on it.. part of the spec.

Yes the receiver could go on too. But one is starting to pile on 'the gack'.. but to be fair.. its not the end of the world.

Rode 'lavs' dont have the rejection and have a poor rep on batteries which puts me off rode more than the size of the box.

The senheiser has a 12hour 'pack' or aa batts.

To me this sounds like some sort of non professional run n gun and at the end of the day you're going to continue filming the way you have.

As it happens the client is the largest and most professional on the planet.
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/search...morgan%20moore

But my 'role' is not on 'rota' where ENG 2/3 would be collecting the primary audio.

My 'role' is grabbing some Broll but having some solution in my bag if I 'must' grab some audio. That role can require movingfast wit a very low profile.

That where Ive got stitched.. 'we dont need any audio.. 50mins later.. can you grab a quick chat with Mr Smith'

 

[Peter C.]

On forums people commonly don't describe the full context of what they're doing and then get upset at the answers.

In this case if you started off saying "I'm capturing stock footage where audio is rarely crucial" then it would save us time and the answers would be focused on that task.

Regardless of that context, in some respects that doesn't change the requirements and equipment to capture the audio quality that a paid gig would require for street interviews. It would either need to be, boomed, laved or hand held dynamic mic. Whether you'd want to put in the effort for stock footage is an unanswerable question.

 

[markfpv]

However, unless there is time code on both the audio and video devices, it will be time-consuming "fun" to synch them up. [/B]

I still hear this all the time. But in my opinion, it's gotten a whole lot simpler in the last 10 years. I mostly use FCPX, sometimes have to sync a mirrorless and H4N. Using FCPX's built-in tools, time code sync, or even using a clap stick, etc. is just not necessary. It was AI help before any of us were calling it that.

 

[morgan_moore]

On forums people commonly don't describe the full context of what they're doing and then get upset at the answers..

The thread came 'sideways' from the "what is DVX user for thread." - I said.. I bet there is some good knowledge about one of my specific problems I have now.

Hey im not unhappy with the answers

Ive been pointed some very good ideas. $100 tascam, $300 senheiser.- better ? worth it? - these are things I did not know existed. But will now mull.

"Consider a rode wireless" - good thought to re-evaluate that.

How to boom it? good question, how to monitor it. better question. I need to mull those too.

Mainly 'booming' is only if a reporter arrives and goes.. "Ive got a chat with Mike can you record it". Then they can 'boom it'. No reporter? well then we wont be doing interviews. and I wont need a 'boom op'

Doing this or any work is a fine balance between not being crushed and not having the kit. (the right balance might be an Osmo.. or five trucks of kit)

im seeking an unusual nimble.. and just the 24-70 lens in the main plus a bit of cropping. Of course the 24-105 is now on the radar.. but im not that bothered to have another kg. Not having a 70-200 is quite major downgrade for me but its hard to hold steady.. clearning to close in paysback.

Right now Ive got a $5 cable so I can get a reporter to hold the RVM, Ill be checking out the headphones options. I have MDR from sony but need to look at something smaller and more nimble.

 

[morgan_moore]

THe full kit as it stands..
Canon r6 24-70 3stop ND
Osmo and ND kit
rode video mic
usb bank
new.. $5 mic lead.

 

[Peter C.]

I can't claim to understand the stock video market, the demand for street interview content, and the level of audio quality needed. I would find it hard to believe people would be interested in that type of content. I'll leave that to you. No hard feelings, looks like a decent setup. Let us know what you end up doing.

 

[JAMedia]

I normally just mount both the (NTG1) shotgun and a G3 wireless receiver on the camera. Then I can add the 2nd wireless mic very quickly.

The problem I can see from the photo above is ergonomics. I will use an HC-X1, which like most purpose designed video cameras has space for it and the ergonomics work. People using mirrorless DSLRs (if you know what I mean) find the ergonomics are great as a still camera, but you need all sorts of stuff hanging off it to work sensibly for video.

The BMD "cinema" (and studio) cameras that look like a DSLR format are designed for an environment where sound is recorded separately (and you are often on a rail system). Journalistic, and run and gun video cameras assume you will need sound and buttons rather than a touch screen. It is function over style.

 

[morgan_moore]

I am well aware i am pushing and envelope into a place that it does not want to be.

i own ex1 and fs7 and much stuff for bigger setups.

i dont know the hcx1 but i guess the image is terrible the af poor and it is 3x the mass of the r6. And you cant slip on a 50 1.8 when it gets dark. Or take quality stills My guess.

ive been diddling around with building the most nimble possible kit that can create “a look”

im just wanting to up it a but on the audio side.

of course my envelope pushing might be a total fail.

oddly i did buy the r6 to replace the ex1 fir running about- not as a “cine” solution - i have a lot of thoughts about that

the main thought is my small kit is very liberating and encourages on to shoot

 

[JAMedia]

I am well aware i am pushing and envelope into a place that it does not want to be.

It's more the way you are communicating. This forum has a lot of very experienced people on it (and me) who are very helpful. More so than many other forums.
Look at your comment about the hcx1 and consider if the person you are talking to is likely to respond helpfully to you again.

 

[morgan_moore]

Im sorry you found that upsetting - it was not meant that way.. to me it was just 'reporting'

i could call an alexa 65 - 'too heavy" its nothing personal

Im sure (like my, now long in the tooth EX1) that you hcx1 is a excellent tool.

Long roll times decent zoom reach.. xlr inputs .. connectviity ,all the stuff that certain jobs need - I understand those attributes are critical to some jobs.

I was not saying it was a bad tool.. just not the tool im after for this work

I have been helped by the thread as I thought DVX users would help and they have .. because they often are out making money with the tools not gawping at them on YT.

 

[Peter C.]

Btw how are you interviewing people and then putting that footage up for sale on for stock footage? Are you having them sign a release?

 

[morgan_moore]

So this is 'editorial stock' which has no 'need' for a releease as one can, excluding minors, use a camera when in a public place in the UK.

When filming stock it is not my intention to do 'chats'

And this is where it get sticky because the other day when I was out the day started as gathering 'stock' of a broken tower block but I ended up doing some filming and photos for 'The Guardian' as i ran into thier reporter at the scene and set up a little thing.

He wanted to get some chats.. which really are for The Guardian (only on day one) and thats when I felt my RVM on camera was not up to par and I should seek a better solution, but only one that would be held in reserve on the offchance that I end teamed with a reporter.

Tomorrow night Deliveroo are on strike and Ill swing by to do some 'stock' (general banner waving and looking grumpy) but I might get roped in to do a chat with someone.

A 'modern'thing is the osmo. Im starting to roll body worn. Because I very specifically asked to be invited into the flat, and very specifically asked to photograph and interview the man. I want a record of that.

 

[JAMedia]

So this is 'editorial stock' which has no 'need' for a releease as one can, excluding minors, use a camera when in a public place in the UK.

You seem to be confusing "stock" and journalism. I can recommend Mcnae's Essential Law for Journalists which is, as the name implies, Essential for all UK based journalists, photojournalists and video journalists.

 

[morgan_moore]

Thanks for the thought. . I could do with a top up as my knowledge is dated. I will check it out.

I am NCTJ trained, press card holder since 1996, so not entirely clueless

nerdfact! Probably one of my first 'front pages' was a crashed plane for the Birmingham Post when shadowing John Potter at Newsteam.

I completely understand 'commercial stock' - three models smile at an ipad is a different thing.

 

[JAMedia]

Actually ass the last version was 2022 a new one is due out shortly. Might be worth waiting for that. They do a new version every 2 years as the law is constantly changing. If you were NCTJ trained, you would know the legal module is at least 3 times larger/longer than any other module.

 

[morgan_moore]

Ya photography 'law' was a little shorter than the full councils and court reporting reporters version.

 

[Peter C.]

Common sense would tell me it's one thing to film on a public street with people are walking by and quite another to film an interview of someone then use it for commercial purposes like stock footage without their written approval. Even if you don't get caught or sued or it's "legal" it's in my opinion morally dubious.