Sound makes me want to die OR "Learning the hard way"

[MeAgain]

Thanks guys...I've been going back and forth between EQ frequencies and I realized eventually that "less is more".

My main problem is going to be matching the actual dialog with the ADR....both sound very similar except one has a lot less bass and natural reverb, obviously (I'm saving reverb effects for last...that'll be a nightmare for me...)

My main problem is with the male character's voice...the female's is actually pretty clear and she did a great job under the circumstances. The male had a bit of trouble with ADR and only managed one good take per line. Not really his fault at all, but that's what happens in these cases, sadly.

Also, since his voice is so deep, it's hard to know how low or high to cut the bass. I'm sharply rolling off at around 170ish now so that it mixes better with the on set dialog, though I tend to cut lower with quieter stuff. I know that might sound like a bit high to cut, but the guy's voice is deep and booming, and if I keep too much bass it's clear that it wasn't recorded on set (since a lot of his shots are LS stuff and not close). I'm also rolling off around 16000 because anything lower seems to make it a little dull. I'm mixing roomtone and cutting the ADR pretty close, so even with good headphones it's difficult to hear any background in the ADR, which is good. I still keep some breathing room to make sure the words aren't so abrupt and use the handles to fade out accordingly...though on a couple I might need to use some light sound FX to camouflage this stuff.

I'll fish around in the 10k range to hopefully make the dialog a bit crisper. Thanks guys.

 

[Noiz2]

Probably more in the 3K - 5K zone, 10K is Very high.

 

[Rick Burnett]

Probably more in the 3K - 5K zone, 10K is Very high.

It is quite high, but you'd be surprised at what you can add back to muddy vocals from grabbing those 10k components from a voice. Strangely enough, I learned this from a professional singer when I was mixing a concert for him. It is voice dependent, but after the show I went home and took some audio clips that I had that were not very distinguishable and started playing around around 10k and sure enough, it helped add a bit of crispness to the vocals to delineate between sounds. Now, you do have to be careful with it as this is VERY high frequency, but, like I said, it was a pretty interesting thing to learn. And of course, on good vocals, do not do this, there is no need.