Sound like a scam to you?

MCAN

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So I answered an ad for a company seeking videographers and heard back from them last week. Good stuff. I have had trouble finding work lately so I was excited.

Then I got the details.

The man I spoke to is the owner of the company and said that he was interested in taking me on as a freelance video producer for the company. I would have to shoot content, then he would send me a couple hundred dollars to pay myself and the talent. The more I shoot, the more money I make. It would be up to me to find all talent, use my own equipment, and set-up the shoots.

But...

First I have to shoot a "scene for hire." Again, I do all the leg-work and then submit the scene to him. If he likes it I am hired as a freelance videographer. As far as I know there is no money for me or the talent for this scene for hire. Big strike there. I have to shoot at least an hour of raw footage in addition to over 200 still photos at various points of production to use as publicity.

I thought more and more about this and my gut told me something really was wrong with this scenario.

First, I'm doing all the work, probably for nothing.

Second, there's nothing to stop him for saying he doesn't like my work then turning around and using it to make a profit.

Third, I don't see why I have to essentially audition for the chance to be the company's "freelance videographer." It seems like a contradiction in terms to be a freelancer for a company. Maybe I'm wrong.

Fourth, should I pass the audition, I would be doing all the work. The company would simply be bankrolling me a small sum of money. I think that's my biggest drawback. I love money too much to work for peanuts.

To add to all this, he emailed me the other day because I hadn't updated him on what I was doing. He added that maybe this isn't for me. I said I have been busy and unable to find talent in the short amount of time. He said he will forward an actress' info to me but then I would have to shoot an even longer scene. I agreed and he sent the contact info to me. I saw the actress' work and let's say she is not choice.

I also found his distribution method. He uses one of those "upload your clips, we'll sell them and give you 60% of the profits" sites to sell the footage. I realized I can do the same under my business' name (as his part in this would just be a bankroller) and keep all the profits.

This all just ain't right isn't it?
 
Fourth, should I pass the audition, I would be doing all the work. The company would simply be bankrolling me a small sum of money. I think that's my biggest drawback. I love money too much to work for peanuts.

Then doesn't that answer your question of whether or not to work for him in the first place?
 
His site is very basic. Like I said, he's using a video hosting site so really it's not even his site.
The scene for hire involves shooting actors in two situations as well as over 200 photos to go along with the footage
 
Then doesn't that answer your question of whether or not to work for him in the first place?

Yeah it does. I kind of work out my feelings and problems in posts like this. I answer my own questions and such but I still seek everyone's council.
 
He is trying to use you in my opinion... feel free to give us his site or channel or whatever it is and we will see what we can do to F with him.
 
I just found out a ballpark of what he is making on these clips. Now I really don't want to work for him. I can do it myself and play by my rules
 
You can always do a big watermark

You can always do a big watermark

If you are doing the video place a big watermark on your video and send it with a note that he can't use it anywhere, he has to pay the rights first for you to take out the watermark.

I have learned something about this business the hard way and is that: NOTHING is free.

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So I answered an ad for a company seeking videographers and heard back from them last week. Good stuff. I have had trouble finding work lately so I was excited.

Then I got the details.

The man I spoke to is the owner of the company and said that he was interested in taking me on as a freelance video producer for the company. I would have to shoot content, then he would send me a couple hundred dollars to pay myself and the talent. The more I shoot, the more money I make. It would be up to me to find all talent, use my own equipment, and set-up the shoots.

But...

First I have to shoot a "scene for hire." Again, I do all the leg-work and then submit the scene to him. If he likes it I am hired as a freelance videographer. As far as I know there is no money for me or the talent for this scene for hire. Big strike there. I have to shoot at least an hour of raw footage in addition to over 200 still photos at various points of production to use as publicity.

I thought more and more about this and my gut told me something really was wrong with this scenario.

First, I'm doing all the work, probably for nothing.

Second, there's nothing to stop him for saying he doesn't like my work then turning around and using it to make a profit.

Third, I don't see why I have to essentially audition for the chance to be the company's "freelance videographer." It seems like a contradiction in terms to be a freelancer for a company. Maybe I'm wrong.

Fourth, should I pass the audition, I would be doing all the work. The company would simply be bankrolling me a small sum of money. I think that's my biggest drawback. I love money too much to work for peanuts.

To add to all this, he emailed me the other day because I hadn't updated him on what I was doing. He added that maybe this isn't for me. I said I have been busy and unable to find talent in the short amount of time. He said he will forward an actress' info to me but then I would have to shoot an even longer scene. I agreed and he sent the contact info to me. I saw the actress' work and let's say she is not choice.

I also found his distribution method. He uses one of those "upload your clips, we'll sell them and give you 60% of the profits" sites to sell the footage. I realized I can do the same under my business' name (as his part in this would just be a bankroller) and keep all the profits.

This all just ain't right isn't it?
 
Not knocking craigslist, but did you come across this on the that sits? First I would tell him for even insulting you, thanks for the opportunity and the great ideal he just gave you since he needs you more than you need him sounds like.
 
If you are doing the video place a big watermark on your video and send it with a note that he can't use it anywhere, he has to pay the rights first for you to take out the watermark.

I have learned something about this business the hard way and is that: NOTHING is free.

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I will not be doing the video but had I, I would have put a HUGE freaking watermark all over that video. Like diagonally across the entire image.
 
Yeah so yesterday afternoon I sent him an email to clarify some questions I had, mainly about payment and him stealing the footage, and he got upset with me saying we went over this when we first spoke. He added maybe this job isn't for me because three others have already begun shooting.
I politely told him to shove it and haven't heard from him.

I feel much better now not having to worry about his b.s. :laugh:
 
i've noticed a trend in scumbags. anybody who gets "upset" or "angry" when you're asking for clarification is most likely running a game where you're the pawn.
 
Craigslist and the world in general are full of con men whose sole aim is to get you to work for free. Translator:


"I've got connections in the music industry" Translation: He knows a guy who knows a guy who sweeps the floor at a small time recording studio

"This could lead to a lot of paid work" Translation: He will tell his scumbag friends what a pushover you are so they can con you out of work

"Maybe this job isn't for you..." Translation: He knows you are on to his scam


Feel free to add to the list...
 
i've noticed a trend in scumbags. anybody who gets "upset" or "angry" when you're asking for clarification is most likely running a game where you're the pawn.

+1 Lots of shady people out there for sure...

Craigslist and the world in general are full of con men whose sole aim is to get you to work for free. Translator:


"I've got connections in the music industry" Translation: He knows a guy who knows a guy who sweeps the floor at a small time recording studio

"This could lead to a lot of paid work" Translation: He will tell his scumbag friends what a pushover you are so they can con you out of work

"Maybe this job isn't for you..." Translation: He knows you are on to his scam


Feel free to add to the list...

"What I'm really looking for are people who do this for the love of doing it, and the money is just a bonus" (yes, I had someone say that exact thing to me)

and this is a gem right here...

"You should edit the TV show just for the credit" (long story)

I have learned the people who are good clients to retain or people to work with are the ones who are all up front, and they should expect you to be the same. Anytime there is any side-stepping/question dodging/larger than life promises RUN!
 
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