Sony Vegas 9 Pro Render Help! Please!

Lindquist

Lindquist

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This is my problem.

I have been struggling for the longest time to figure out the best H264/MOV or Mp4 for file size and best quality.

Right now I use Sony Vegas 9 Pro and I render as

Mpeg4 with 6,072,000 Bitrate and 854x720.

I have Mpeg stream clip QT pro Sorenson . All that

and right now i have a 1 min clip that came out as 43.5mb

I saw a guys on Vimeo thats 1 min too and its only 5Mb..

im doing this because i want to use all my 500mb of space on vimeo wisley till i get
my hvx200



And some times when i render out of Mpeg stream clip or Export as QT H264 it seems to take for ever for a 1 min clip..

Thanks

Hopefully someone can help me who uses vegas with a HD camera.
 
Are you trying to achive HD? Because 854x720 is kinda strange. But I have the best results with;
Sony AVC
Internet 16:9 HD 1080 30p
 
Whats your aim sn?

we can talk faster

No, I have a VX2100 That im trying to get full/best quality from it. and i like 854 cuz it looks nice n wide

I use Mp4 Codec and my files sizes are way to big i seen this kids one is 1 min long for 5mb.

my 1 min clip is like atleast 25-30mb.

Please ANyone who usese vegas and DV footage that gets amazing quality please...

im begging.

ive been looking for the past 5-7 month

yes i am desperate.

Ill pay who ever can help me $40..
 
The only thing that changes the filesize is the bitrate. All you have to do is use Vegas Pro's MainConcept encoder (no reason for Qt, sorenson and all that you mention), and do a calculation about how you can fit your movie in that size.

For example, if 1 minute gives me 35 MBs at 6 mbps bitrate, the XX minutes, how much will they give me for less bitrate? 6 mbps for 854x480 is rather high anyway, so don't be afraid to chop off some bitrate in order to fit at 500 MBs limit. Also, don't use more than 160 kbps AAC audio.

As for the guy who had 1 minute in 5 MBs, his resolution was probably much lower, so he didn't need much bitrate. Either that, or he doesn't know how to export properly.
 
Oh boy....

First, you are destroying the quality of your video by assigning it 854x720. Leave your video in the size it was shot. 720x480. That will give you the best results

Second, the size and of your file is determined by two things:

A. What codec you choose (Sony AVC, WMV, etc)
B. What bitrate

If you render to the Sony AVC codec, you will make a .mp4 file. That is optimum for Vimeo. The SIZE of that file is then determined by what bit rate you choose.

If you encode a file at 6Mbps, it will be one size. If you encode at 12Mbps it will be exactly double in size. If you encode at 3Mbps, it will be one half size. As the file gets smaller, quality decreases. It's up to you how much you want to trade quality for small file size.

Lastly, You do not get 500MB with Vimeo. You get 500MB per WEEK.
 
Eugenia Loli-Queru said:
The only thing that changes the filesize is the bitrate. All you have to do is use Vegas Pro's MainConcept encoder (no reason for Qt, sorenson and all that you mention), and do a calculation about how you can fit your movie in that size.

For example, if 1 minute gives me 35 MBs at 6 mbps bitrate, the XX minutes, how much will they give me for less bitrate? 6 mbps for 854x480 is rather high anyway, so don't be afraid to chop off some bitrate in order to fit at 500 MBs limit. Also, don't use more than 160 kbps AAC audio.

As for the guy who had 1 minute in 5 MBs, his resolution was probably much lower, so he didn't need much bitrate. Either that, or he doesn't know how to export properly.
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ok thanx for advice

heres his clip

http://www.vimeo.com/7371705

MP4 - 640x360 , 5.27MB

should i try that resolution?
 
You haven't told us the most important thing, which is part of the "mathematical calculation" I presented above. How *long* is your film? If your film is not very long, there is no reason to sacrifice resolution.
 
PerroneFord said:
Oh boy....

First, you are destroying the quality of your video by assigning it 854x720. Leave your video in the size it was shot. 720x480. That will give you the best results

Second, the size and of your file is determined by two things:

A. What codec you choose (Sony AVC, WMV, etc)
B. What bitrate

If you render to the Sony AVC codec, you will make a .mp4 file. That is optimum for Vimeo. The SIZE of that file is then determined by what bit rate you choose.

If you encode a file at 6Mbps, it will be one size. If you encode at 12Mbps it will be exactly double in size. If you encode at 3Mbps, it will be one half size. As the file gets smaller, quality decreases. It's up to you how much you want to trade quality for small file size.

Lastly, You do not get 500MB with Vimeo. You get 500MB per WEEK.
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Yea i know 500mb per week.

ok so i set my res to 720 480

i upload the og avi to sony vegas edit it

render in Sony AVC mp4
Bit Rate he told me was between 3000-5000

"Vimeo HD 1280×720, up to 30fps in MP4 media format


recommend using the H.264 codec at size 1280×720, bit rate 3000-5000 kbits/sec key frame every 30 frames (frame reordering on), using whatever frame rate you shot in.

For sound, use AAC at 128kbps in stereo."

only thing that confuses me is the bit rate part becuse in vegas it says Bit rate
I want best quality with the smallest file size possible Quality over File size id say.


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Thats what i dont get is 3,000,000 = 3mbps?
 
No, absolutely not, do not export at 720x480 when your footage was shot widescreen. Vimeo does not support non-square pixel aspect ratios. Again, how LONG is your film?

Also, never export interlaced for Vimeo.

> Thats what i dont get is 3,000,000 = 3mbps?

Yes.
 
Sorry Its exactly same as that kids 1:01

Im going to try

same resolution with 3000-5000 bit rate like he said.
 
1:01 long.

same resolution and bit rate he told me to and im going to see if file size is atleast under 15mb i mean isnt that kinda big 15mb for a 1min clip in SD?

thanks
 
well i want best quality possible. so do
720x480?

or if i go smaller say

640x360 can i get smaller file size with same good quality like the 720 version?
 
The lower the resolution, the less detail you will get. So by doing that you throw "quality" out of the window (and your question was about quality, wasn't it now?). I explained to you earlier that 720x480 is NOT a widescreen resolution, so Vimeo will NOT be able to process your widescreen footage correctly. The right settings are the ones I gave you. Everything else you do, is either diminishing resolution/detail, or quality by bringing down bitrate, or squashing your widescreen footage for absolutely no reason.

So for the last time: No, 15 MB for 1 minute 854x480 footage is not much. It's normal for *good* web quality. Don't forget that vimeo will re-encode that, so, if you feed Vimeo a crappy version, it will give you back a crappy re-encoding too.

Just because that guy in that 5 MB video you linked threw out bitrate/resolution because he doesn't know how to export properly, doesn't mean that you should do the same. Uploading 15 MBs of footage will only take you a few seconds in broadband anyway. And you have another 485 MBs to waste this week too.
 
Did i say widescreen any where??
no i didnt..


and the other guy said that rendering your footage in widescreen when it originally isnt
throws away quality.
 
>Did i say widescreen any where?? no i didnt..

You mentioned in the FIRST comment that you're trying to render "Mpeg4 with 6,072,000 Bitrate and 854x720". That's a WIDESCREEN resolution. You left us to assume that you shot widescreen.

You also mentioned these very sentences:
"im trying to get full/best quality from it."
"and i like 854 cuz it looks nice n wide"

So, if you don't mean what you say, then don't put the blame on me. You left me assuming that you shot wide. These are details that you should always mention when you ask a question online.

But, EVEN if you didn't shoot wide, 720x480 is STILL the wrong resolution to export! As I mentioned twice so far, Vimeo requires square pixels, not anamorphic resolutions. Therefore, if your video is actually 4:3, then you must export at 640x480 (which is the resolution that you get after you apply the aspect ratio calculation at it).

In that case, you again use my tutorial I linked for you above, and you use 640x480 resolution, at 2 mbps.
 
I am very sorry for the confusion ive caused you.

Thanks so much you have cleared everything up for me.

once again sorry!
 
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