Sony A77 release very soon - is this the 5D/7D/GH2 killer?

Plus I'm thinking the Sony will be a distant 3rd to Nikon and Canon in the stills department.
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Sony makes the Nikon sensors and it uses them in their own cameras. So take a guess as to how quality would compare. Now, the sensor the A77 uses is a brand new one that the Nikon's don't even have yet. So take another guess as to how the Sony cameras still images will look like.
 
@boncreek
That video is not too helpful to judge the IQ of the cam, but I will say rolling shutter seems way better then any other DSL I have seen.
 
John Caballero said:
Sony makes the Nikon sensors and it uses them in their own cameras. So take a guess as to how quality would compare. Now, the sensor the A77-65 use is a brand new one that the Nikon's don't even have yet. So take another guess as to how the Sony cameras still images will look like.
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Wrong again. You keep saying that, but it's not true. Nikon uses Sony's manufacturing facilities. They design their own high end sensors. Sony does NOT design Nikons HDDSLR/STILL sensors. Please get your facts straight and stop spreading myths. Things might be different on the point and shoot market, but unless you have absolute proof other than hearsay, that may not be the case either.
Since Sony will/does not publish the bit depth of the AD conversion, there has to be a reason for that.
 
No myth my friend. It has been stated in many occasions. And you can bet your house that all camera manufacturers in Japan share their info around. Why? That is how one country gets to dominate a market the way they do.


http://dpreview.com/reviews/nikond7000/

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/new-nikon-d7000-and-pentax-k-r-with-sony-sensor/

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=25151100

http://nikonrumors.com/2011/01/25/nikon-d7000-has-a-sony-sensor-confirmed.aspx/

http://nikonrumors.com/2011/01/25/nikon-d7000-has-a-sony-sensor-confirmed.aspx/

http://www.petapixel.com/2011/01/26/nikon-d7000-teardown-reveals-a-sony-made-sensor-within/

http://www.photographybay.com/2011/01/26/nikon-d7000-confirmed-to-use-sony-sensor/

[URL]http://www.hardwarezone.com/tech-news-nikon-d7000-teardown-reveals-sony-sensor[/URL]
 
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well, nobody said the sensors nikon uses are not built by sony, the question is wheter sony actually uses exactly the same ones; which may or may not be the case, I've read stuff saying both things; in any case, even if the sensor in the D7000, A580 and K-5 is the same one, the signal processing still makes a big difference, at least in video mode... maybe not so much for stills: http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Ca...0/(brand)/Pentax/(brand2)/Sony/(brand3)/Nikon -- -- -- and by the way, here's a very nice measure of how much light, dynamic range, tonal range, etc., you lose because of the translucent mirror: http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Ca...)/685|0/(onglet)/0/(brand)/Sony/(brand2)/Sony (about a half-stop of light, and between 1/2 and 1 stops of DR depending on the ISO)
 
John Caballero said:
No myth my friend. It has been stated in many occasions. And you can bet your house that all camera manufacturers in Japan share their info around. Why? That is how one country gets to dominate a market the way they do.


http://dpreview.com/reviews/nikond7000/

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/new-nikon-d7000-and-pentax-k-r-with-sony-sensor/

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=25151100

http://nikonrumors.com/2011/01/25/nikon-d7000-has-a-sony-sensor-confirmed.aspx/

http://nikonrumors.com/2011/01/25/nikon-d7000-has-a-sony-sensor-confirmed.aspx/

http://www.petapixel.com/2011/01/26/nikon-d7000-teardown-reveals-a-sony-made-sensor-within/

http://www.photographybay.com/2011/01/26/nikon-d7000-confirmed-to-use-sony-sensor/

[URL]http://www.hardwarezone.com/tech-news-nikon-d7000-teardown-reveals-sony-sensor[/URL]
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After reading the articles it clearly states that the chips are fabricated by Sony, ie manufactured. But the Design of the processing hardware/firmware belong to Nikon. Nikon does not use the BIONZ processor. It has it own proprietary design. OLPF, AF and other features are Nikon designed. They may have started using Sony's basic chip design, but all the things that capture and process the picture come from Nikon.
So, no, Seeing what Sony puts out, does not equal what Nikon will put out. Based on your reasoning.. Sony is treating Nikon as it's top level camera system. No way, no how is Sony going to do that.
Getting back to the point. Why doesn't Sony publish their AD conversion bit depth for raw stills. sRGB and AdobeRgb are for rastor (jpeg) color space.
Thanks for the links.
I should clarify one thing. I was mostly referring to Nikon full frame cameras. I hope Nikon doesn't use this new Sony sensor. It's not getting them any fans in the stills world.
 
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Stephen Mick said:
Having shot with the Sony A55, I can tell you that assuming Sony comes in a "distant third" is pretty hilarious. Having used Canons extensively for stills, my Sony focuses faster, delivers RAW images with just as much detail and range, and feels every bit as "pro" as Canon's offerings. Keep in mind that Sony's DSLR business is basically the continued evolution of the Minolta brand.
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I agree with this.
The Sony A77 seems to be aimed at the 7D/D7000 market.
It is a direct competitor and already has my head turning from Canon's offering (their marketing is working apparently)
The 7D MKII isn't due any time soon and the D7000 has been out awhile now so Sony has a chance to take some market share.
I think Sony has really put some thought into this camera and its looking better than the competition in many respects.
Now they just have to focus on better lenses (primes with SSM would be nice)
 
The Sony A77 seems to be aimed at the 7D/D7000 market.
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With a more advanced sensor. The A580 is said to share the same sensor as the D7000.

So, no, Seeing what Sony puts out, does not equal what Nikon will put out.
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We will soon find out. All I want is for the camera I need to buy next to shoot sharp, crisp images with very natural colors for stills and sharp, crisp moving images with natural colors, no moire, no horrific aliasing and no jello for video. And also be able to use the viewfinder to shoot with either mode, the old fashion and reliable way. So far the A77 is looking good in all those respects.
 
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NormanBates said:
well, nobody said the sensors nikon uses are not built by sony, the question is wheter sony actually uses exactly the same ones; which may or may not be the case, I've read stuff saying both things; in any case, even if the sensor in the D7000, A580 and K-5 is the same one, the signal processing still makes a big difference, at least in video mode... maybe not so much for stills: http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Ca...0/(brand)/Pentax/(brand2)/Sony/(brand3)/Nikon -- -- -- and by the way, here's a very nice measure of how much light, dynamic range, tonal range, etc., you lose because of the translucent mirror: http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Ca...)/685|0/(onglet)/0/(brand)/Sony/(brand2)/Sony (about a half-stop of light, and between 1/2 and 1 stops of DR depending on the ISO)
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Hmm, John may actually have a point. I went to the site and did a comparison of the Nikon D7000 and the Sony Alpha 580. Very very similar performance.
 
bitcrusher said:
@boncreek
That video is not too helpful to judge the IQ of the cam, but I will say rolling shutter seems way better then any other DSL I have seen.
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I thought it was pretty helpful.
Maybe my standards are lower than yours but it seemed really good to me.
Just so I understand you, what are you looking for exactly in a video? Especially one that is uploaded to vimeo?
What aspects of the video would you want to judge IQ properly?
Somethign like a brick wall to judge artifacts?
Just trying to understand...
 
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John Caballero said:
We will soon find out. All I want is for the camera I need to buy next to shoot sharp, crisp images with very natural colors for stills and sharp, crisp moving images with natural colors, no moire, no horrific aliasing and no jello for video. And also be able to use the viewfinder to shoot with either mode, the old fashion and reliable way. So far the A77 is looking good in all those respects.
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+1
 
John Caballero said:
With a more advanced sensor. The A580 is said to share the same sensor as the D7000.



We will soon find out. All I want is for the camera I need to buy next to shoot sharp, crisp images with very natural colors for stills and sharp, crisp moving images with natural colors, no moire, no horrific aliasing and no jello for video. And also be able to use the viewfinder to shoot with either mode, the old fashion and reliable way. So far the A77 is looking good in all those respects.
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We all want that. If Sony can pull it off, then they will have a monster on their hands. nikonrumors is showing an upcoming mirrorless cam from Nikon. If that is in fact a Sony designed chip with Nikon processing, it will be interesting to see what comes up.
 
zeke said:
We all want that. If Sony can pull it off, then they will have a monster on their hands. nikonrumors is showing an upcoming mirrorless cam from Nikon. If that is in fact a Sony designed chip with Nikon processing, it will be interesting to see what comes up.
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I saw that rumour and to be honest I'm not impressed.
The sensor size is quite a bit smaller than m4/3 if I remember correctly.
Panasonic/Olympus already have the mirrorless crowd.
Remember when everyone was complaining of the crop factor of the m4/3 sensors?
This nikon mirrorless will have an even bigger crop factor and so will reduce the useability of old manual glass which is a big reason many ppl buy mirrorless cams in the first place.
 
I also think that Sony might be trickling down technology from their higher end video cameras towards the lower priced video cameras and Dslrs now that they are moving up to 4K video acquisition. We shall see soon. Can't wait to go to Photo Plus in NYC to check the cams out. There might even be some type of show discount specials floating around with the retailers that exhibit there in Oct.
 
Boncrek said:
What aspects of the video would you want to judge IQ properly?
Somethign like a brick wall to judge artifacts?
Just trying to understand...
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The grading looks a bit strange, I think he turned up the mid-tones post. Also the camera is just moving too much, which is not a bad thing as it lets us see who well it deals with rolling shutter.

When looking at videos to juge IQ its best to see a lot of deferent footage in deferent situations, it also helps if it is raw footage. I think in the next few weeks we will get to see a lot more footage, so far its looking really good!
 
Please, during video taking the active AF-continuous
The control is maintained MANUAL
all other parameters iso, f/, time, wb??!
thnks
karl,
 
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