Sold it! My screenplay--finalized deal this week!

If you are going to quote directly from my Developing Digital Short Films book and Writing A Great Script Fast DVD workshop word for word with very specific examples, then claim you never used it, I have problem with that as any writer would. Both Wallstreet and American Beauty are two of my main example stories that are used over and over again as examples in both the book and the workshop. American Beauty did not even come out until 1999. There are no other published sources that use these two films with these themes stated this way, and that is why Kyle is unable to provide an alternate source for this quote from this thread:

Wallstreet: Greed leads to corruption.
American Beauty: Desire leads to suffering.

I know this because before Developing Digital Short Films was published in April 2004, I had to spend a full year going line for line through every sentence in the book and supplying a footnote reference to the legal department at Pearson. Someone in LA was trying to stop this book from being published, saying it would put them out of the business of teaching screenwriting, since it covered so much. There were several potential lawsuits before the book even came out, since it was covering so much information, by taking lots of others people's books and classes and turning them all into one universal step-by-step process. No one had ever done this before. As a writer the only thing you own are the words you publish (depending on your contract).

Did not mean for this thread to get weird. I am thrilled Kyle sold a script. I am just bummed he is backing off any credit on my end after giving me credit in April 2008 and clearly using my process. My big breakthrough between the DDSF book and the WAGSF DVD Workshop was how important it is to write from the theme first and then wrap the rest of the story around it. I spend half of the first of 19 DVDs talking about this big realization in Writing A Great Script Fast before I even start the brainstorming process. Then Kyle gets the workshop and says he had the same big realization a few months later quoting directly from my work in this thread saying this is one of the big reasons why he sold his script when people ask. Most screenwriting teachers do not talk about theme at all, saying it is too advanced, but for me it is a main focus in my screenwriting process.

I also have a few emails from Kyle that sound like he is using the workshop and enjoying it very much. Never does he say he never got around to using it or was just reviewing it. I sent him an email on May 18, 2008 asking how the DVD workshop is going for him and if he wants some new Word files of the updated Workbook and his reply is " Everything is going great. Please send me the new files at your convenience. Thanks again for everything." He does not mention selling a script or anything. Some of the other people I sent the same email to said they had not gotten around to using it yet but would get back to me. Kyle sounds like he likes the workshop and is using it in May 2008 to me or why would be be thanking me?

Now that you are writer Kyle you need to be careful about how you quote things or you are going to end up in lots of lawsuits. Let just take this whole thing as a teaching moment for writers everywhere.

Is this thread just to tell Kyle how cool he is for selling a script? No - most of the questions I read are other people asking how can they can do it too and what sources he used.
 
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This got weird.


true now that I am reading backwards I find it a bit weird to read these posts about who is to credit for the success...the screenwriting book author?

come on ! I wouldnt be surprised if this was an eastern european forum, but this type of envy in usa ??? I am surprised!
 
Now that you are writer Kyle you need to be careful about how you quote things or you are going to end up in lots of lawsuits. Let just take this whole thing as a teaching moment for writers everywhere.

Sherri,

Based on the fact that you drug this out in the open for no apparent reason other than to toot your own horn and attach your name to the coattails of Kyle's success, I will make sure I stay far away from any of your resources and will actively recommend against them should someone ask my opinion.

Think of this as your teachable moment.
 
Well said. And ditto.

Sherri, Based on the fact that you drug this out in the open for no apparent reason other than to toot your own horn and attach your name to the coattails of Kyle's success, I will make sure I stay far away from any of your resources and will actively recommend against them should someone ask my opinion. Think of this as your teachable moment.
 
OKAY. This thread has gone completely the wrong direction. Some contributors are getting a little nasty. I hope this clears up the issue at hand.

Below is the original post on THEME.


Genre is very important, but when I said writing from theme I was talking about what Hauge and Truby refer to as Theme, McKee calls the Controlling Idea, Egri means with Premise. Tierno's, the Action-Idea, is the same concept, and Williams calls it the Moral Premise. It's what your story is really about, on a deeper, more universal level.

old examples...

Wallstreet: Greed leads to corruption.
American Beauty: Desire leads to suffering.

Another form (which I favor) consists of two parts... separated by a "but"...

Braveheart: Compromise of liberty leads to tyranny, but dying for liberty leads to freedom.
Bruce Almighty: Expecting a miracle leads to frustration, but being a miracle leads to peace.

You get the idea.

Today when I searched for these examples in my screenwriting books, in order to respond accurately... I found, indeed, that Sherri's right, the "old examples" very likely came from her book Developing Digital Short Films (pages 24-25). (I bought this book in 2006 and reviewed it on Amazon at that time.) I have used it a lot for reference because it's packed with lists and info that can spark new ideas and help you out of a jam. As stated in recent posts, this book is VERY HELPFUL for developing shorts and features. I do not have access to the DVD course at the moment (I will later tonight), but I'll assume these examples are included in it as well because Sherri authored both (and she has confirmed this already in an earlier post).

Okay, on to the next example....

The "Another form" examples, which I just found in my collection of books, come from S. Williams book The Moral Premise (pages 72 & 149).

THEME was our topic of the day (back on 3-31-2008) and the above examples were posted to help clarify prior comments. I hope that helps.

This forum is not for spewing hate. It's for sharing ideas and learning.

Let' try to get it back on course, or they might just shut down this thread.
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FYI DVXusers: the original post from 2008 (page 4 of this thread) has been corrected showing source references.
 
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Here's another post which shows some screenwriting books/courses I recommended in April 2008. There are several authors listed, including Sherri.

yes, i did use the stuctures in the booklet--mostly borrowing from truby, vogler, hauge/williams.

Truby's latest book, the anatomy of story, is very good. I used it to get all the essential pieces of the story, then i put them together using vogler's hero's journey model and the hauge/williams template (these latter two authors use what i consider the "standard" structure model).

Other good books i used to sprinkle on the details, for the (personal) rewrites:

Story sense (lucey)
the art of plotting (cowgill)
45 master characters (schmidt)
writing a great script fast (sheridan)
save the cat (snyder)
power screenwriting (walker)
screenplay: Writing the picture (russin)
emotional structure (dunne)

the more authors/books you read, and approaches you study, the more likely you are to find a style/approach that works for you. Or just make a hybrid of your favorites.

This states that I used a handful of books during rewrites.

I hope this clears up any miscommunication.

We have to get this thread back on track.
 
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Here is another list of book recommendations I made in FEB 2009.



okay, i'll try to do this from memory but i'll probably leave out a great book or two inadvertently. Please forgive me.

if you want a very basic understanding:

the screenwriter's bible by david trottier
screenwriting 101 by neill hicks
the complete idiot's guide to screenwriting by skip press

but i probably wouldn't waste my time with the above, unless you're completely green.

the following are much better imho (in no particular order):

books
story sense by paul lucey
power screenwriting by michael walker
afi writing great screenplays by dona cooper
the writer's journey by christopher vogler
writing screenplays that sell by michael hauge
screenplay: Writing the picture by russin and downs
save the cat by blake snyder
story by robert mckee
screenplay by syd field
how to write high structure high concept movies (& the screenwriting formula, 2nd book) by rob tobin
blue book series & the secrets of action screenwriting by w.c. Martell
the anatomy of story: 22 steps... Master storyteller by john truby
writing for emotional impact by karl iglesias
the power of the transformational arc by dara marks
the moral premise by stanley williams

dvd courses
john truby's great screenwriting class
the hero's 2 journeys by hauge & vogler
syd field's screenwriting workshop
karl iglesias' writing for emotion impact master class
chris soth's million dollar screenwriting course


michael hauge's review of structure is pretty good and available online:
www.screenplaymastery.com/structure.htm

how's that for 15 books off the top of my head?!

the zip file containing all the scripts-- well, i'll have to post that later tonight.

and just so you guys know i'm not blowing smoke... Here's a nice photo i just took. And, no, i'm not selling these to anyone for $320, including you bill!:)
 
Here are 2 other books I recommended in MAY 2008. These 3 posts are for any DVXusers who are interested in what screenwriting sources (books, DVDs, classes, etc.) I've used. This only covers a small percentage, however.

thanks again everyone.

and i almost forgot...

two excellent books on writing from theme:
1. inside story by dara marks
2. the moral premise by stanley d. Williams, phd
 
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Hey Kyle,
Congrats on the sale! Very inspiring to hear your story. Is there any chance you will be redistributing your pdf workbook? I found this thread late but the info thats still here is very insightful. Thank you!

Oh and Hi Sherri! Your videos are wonderful, thanks for caring so much about the craft.
 
It wasn't a workbook, just a few pages of notes from classes and courses collected over the years (mostly from a TRUBY course in the late 90's and the standard HERO's JOURNEY as per Vogler). It was only posted for about a week in 2008. Unfortunately, it was circulated over the internet and added to by many other people. My agent (and the agency attorney) found an unrecognizable form of it on a website months later, kindly asked them not to host it anymore and they complied, and it is now long gone. As it should be. It was no longer the Truby/Vogler notes and grew into something completely strange.

The file of AWARD WINNING SCRIPTS & OTHER NOTABLES is still available, however:

http://www.filefront.com/15739501/AWARD-WINNING-SCRIPTS--OTHER-NOTABLES.zip/

Take care,

K

 
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Your story is very inspiring Kyle. I am also coming to the thread late and wanted to congratulate you on your accomplishment. It does seem like Sherri is trying to garner attention for herself due to your success. You did give her credit and I had written her information down as a source to look into, but given her poor form in this thread, I think I'll cross her off my list. Congrats again on your success. I'm sure you deserve it!
 
This feels like stepping on a beehive! My apologies to everyone on this thread. I wish I would have never said anything. Please disregard all previous comments by me. Feel free to delete them (I do not know how that works). It was a very positive thread until I came along and it was not my intention to add any bad vibes.

I am very passionate about what I do and sometimes get carried away. I did try to email Kyle before posting anything confrontational to take this offline, but I did not hear back. Kyle has been very supportive of my work over the years so this is confusing for me. I really did not mean to take anything away from Kyle’s work and know his whole life prepared him to write that script.

So let’s get this thing back on track. Congratulations Kyle on selling a script and inspiring so many others to do the same!
 
I agree with Sherri wholeheartedly. This thread took a wrong turn a few days back.

AND FOR THE RECORD: She was absolutely right to question the THEME statement post; as it turned out she was 100% correct. The two examples came from her excellent book Developing Digital Short Films and S. William's book The Moral Premise. It was my fault for not citing them in the 2008 post. No malice intended, they are corrected now. I was only trying to be helpful by sharing as much information as possible with all of you.

ALSO, Sherri's book DEVELOPING DIGITAL SHORT FILMS is exceptional. It has more screenwriting and storytelling ideas, concepts, and techniques than any other. I use it as a reference regularly (obviously!). If you haven't read it, you should.

So please let this NEGATIVE VIBE die with this post. Thanks everyone for understanding.

Now let's get writing.
 
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...ALSO, Sherri's book DEVELOPING DIGITAL SHORT FILMS is unique. It has more screenwriting and storytelling ideas, concepts, and techniques than any other. I use it as a reference regularly (obviously!). If you haven't read it, you should. So please let this NEGATIVE VIBE die with this post. Now let's get writing.

Ditto. As much I did not like the negativity et al that arose, Sherri's book DDSH is exceptional imho and belongs in every writer's reference library. I have never seen such a book so densely packed with incredibly useful tables and lists related to story, among the rest of the great info on that book. I personally did not care for Sherri's DVD workshop, but maybe it is and has been useful to others, but I *did* very much like her book and will always have it on my reference shelf of keepers.
 
Wow, I just stumbled upon this thread yesterday and spent most of my evening (and this morning) reading through all the posts.

Kyle, (a very late) congratulations on your success! Based on all the information you've provided, it's clear that you hustled your butt off to get to where you are now. It really is inspirational.

The information you and others have provided in this thread is invaluable and I'll definitely read some of the books and use some of the techniques that you suggested.

Hope the writing is coming along nicely for you (and everyone else)!
 
I too am a late comer to this thread but want to say congratulations to Kyle. This is great news and I'm sure by now the work has really begun. Good luck with everything.
 
Hi I couldnt find the .pdf, was it on the first page of this post, I did not see it I really want to read this, please advise.

Congrats Kyle! Thanks for giving back to the writing community and sharing your insights I hope to do the same if I am successful.
 
Kyle,

First off, I must add my congratulations. It is truly a fantasy, and I can't imagine the feeling of accomplishment that you must have.

Coming across this thread at this point in time has been most convenient. I am in the process of sorting through the multitudes of ideas in my head for different stories, and your story, along with your study suggestions, has pointed me in the right direction for sure.

But I have a question that I don't think has been asked yet -

I have a screenplay that I am about half way done with (67 pages so far), and I have gotten this far without an outline or pre-determined structure. When I began, I felt totally in tune with the character and his story, able to develop his arc and his world quite handily.

However, I have gotten stuck. I feel like I have run the character into the dirt, and am having such trouble thinking of interesting ways to drag him through it, and eventually bring him out.

Do you have any methods of unsticking yourself? I would like to know what you do to get over hurdles at the half way point.

Thanks!

-Nate
 
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