Sick of missing lines

[Jeremy Ordan]

Jeremy and I have been joking back and forth about the appearance of the NT6... and honestly I think it's more a matter of opinion then outright ugliness... but if she cooks a great meal, cleans the house, and she's great in bed then I sure 'aint kicking her out just 'cause she's no Pam Anderson. I'm eager to see what that thing can do.

There are so many different ways I can respond to this, that it is hard to walk that line of what is appropriate and what is going to get me immediately banned. That being said, I am going to hold off on any judgements about that ugly ***** NT6 until I get a complete review from Matt. If the NT6 can cook, clean, and make my toes curl, not to mention deliver good, clean, and deliver the Rode sound that they are known for, I guess I could give it a chance. I will wait until I get a full review from Matt before I pass any further judgement on this midevil looking torture device that scares the life out of me.

That all being said, I'm getting more and more excited about this T.H.E. mic (can we please come up with another name, it really is a pain to type that out). If you're saying that it is a budget solution to achieve Schoeps type sound, and at the same time, that it is giving this very neutral sound without adding much flavor, then I think that this could be an ideal solution for the hyper category.

The thing I love about the Oktava and why I replaced my AKG with it is that the Oktava, when used properly sounds incredible and can be used for a number of different applications. I have used mine for sfx recording, dialogue, interiors and exteriors, singing, mic'ing drums, guitar, and general voice over work. I find that it really gives a full and complete sound, almost to the point that in post I hardly need to EQ at all. I just love the characteristics of this microphone and really consider it the bargain of the century (thanks to Matt for turning me onto it).

If the T.H.E. (pissed about writing that again) mic exceeds the Oktava, then it could really be the second coming. Then again, if it sounds like how Matt is describing it, but looks like the NT6 then I don't care

-Jeremy

 

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some news about the T.H.E. (damn jeremy youre right, that sucks):

Jeff Wexler (the production mixer on The Last Samurai) has personally told me that he DID NOT use the THE mic on Samurai, contrary to statements on the THE website. He does own one though.

Unfortunately, he reckons the THE doesnt compete with the mk41, and that the Oktava is prob more bang for the buck (to continue matts wonderful metaphor).


However, contrary to that, Im still kind of excited to hear the results.

Yankee - dude, that NT6 sure is ugly, but it could make a KILLER plant mic.

 

[jwsound]

T.H.E. microphones NOT used on "The Last Samurai"

T.H.E. microphones NOT used on "The Last Samurai"

I've been excited to check out the T.H.E. mics because there are a few guys in the industry who are using them instead of the Schoeps mics that they also own... and considering that the T.H.E. comes in at half the cost of a Schoeps I want to know if it's reasonable to put them in the same class. I've been told by multiple sources that the T.H.E. mic was used in place of the MK41 all throughout The Last Samurai.

I was the production sound mixer on "The Last Samurai", I worked for 7 months on the movie and many other very talented colleagues in post sound editorial worked for several months putting the whole film together. Andy Nelson, Anna Belmer and I were nominated for an Acedmy Award for Best Achievment in Sound Mixing in 2004 for that movie.

There has been some mis-information put out and I believe that statements attributed to a "J. Wexler - on location in Australia" have some how been taken to mean that Jeff Wexler used T.H.E. microphones on that movie. This is absolutely not the case. I will give the benefit of the doubt to those who have made these statements that possibly there is another J. Wexler working in Australia who DOES use the T.H.E. microphone, but it isn't me. I have never used T.H.E. microphone on a movie and although it is a very good sounding microphone, the notion that I or any other Schoeps user would use T.H.E. microphones over the use of the Schoeps is quite unlikely. I know of no regular Schoeps users who have abandoned their use of the Schoeps microphone in favor of ANY other microphone. We are a pretty loyal bunch and for good reason.

I have recommended to those who are not able to afford an expensive mic, alternatives to the Schoeps line of microphones. This recommendation is usually for the Octava which I have in fact used in place of the Schoeps in those situations where I do not wish to put a $1700. (US) microphone in danger of being damaged. The Octava is an excellent choice in these situations as it is fairly inexpensive uey shares many of the good characteristics of the Schoeps. In all fairness to the T.H.E. people (although I do not quite see why I need to be fair when I believe that may have mis-represented me and my reputation in order to increase sales), it is a a good microphone that could be used in much the same way I use the Octava. It is NOT a replacement for the Schoeps in any way whatsoever.

The last thing I have to say is thanks to those who pointed out to me the mis-information that's out there and to say that what really got me thinking was the statements on T.H.E. website signed by "J. Wexler - on location in Australia" I have never been on location working in Australia --- the 5 months of shooting "down under" on "The Last Samurai" was in New Zealand, not Australia.

Regards, Jeff Wexler

 

[Jeremy Ordan]

Well regardless of whether it was used on that project or whether it is a definate replacement for the Schoeps, it seems to me that the T.H.E. (damn that sucks to type still) microphone still could be an excellent mid range performer that could out perform the AKG Blueline and the Oktava without pushing the price range into Sennheiser or Schoeps territory.

Personally, I'm still curious to see how it all will stack up.

-Jeremy

 

[MattinSTL]

Sorry for the misunderstanding everybody... my previous post has now been edited. I have sources that have told me the ck93 was used on Pearl Harbor and Bad Boys II... now I'm curious about that info. The source has been trew to me for a long time... but he says the ck93 is one of Peter Weller's favorite car-rig mics... let's see if Peter Weller comes in and says that's crap.

I'll keep that stuff to myself from now on... All of my mic endorsements have been based on personal experience anyway... no matter what others have said about those mics. From now on I'll keep it simple like that rather then drop names. There are some things I can say for certain because I got it from the source... Mike Westgate has numerous posts talking about the AKG ULS system and using it almost exclusively on the Hercules TV series... that was another name I dropped, but I had the actual source to quote... Mike himself.

Bryan Beasleigh is the guy behind the shotgun sticky... he and I went on a frenzy of info searching a few years ago... we've both talked to several industry people and to the owners of pro shops about who uses what... nobody was trying to mislead anybody here... maybe there was a misunderstanding back in the beginning on this issue with Taylor?

I sent some free cables to a major network guy with the idea that he would use 'em on some major productions, take a picture, and let me say he was using them. Well the bummer is that I sent the stuff and got zippo out of it... not even a thanks, but had I got the impression that they would be used in the location sound recording of Arrested Development, for example... I may be tempted to state that even though this guy dropped off the map. Of course I can see where that stuff should be verified... but I wouldn't string up the gallows just yet either.

I've said this a dozen times at least, "I am just a guy who likes mics and recording sound." My contributions to this forum are all in good faith and with pure intentions to help people who are on the road that I've already travelled. I appologize to everybody for repeating information that is apparently incorrect.

I gotta' stand behind the fact that there is a HUGE hole between the Oktava and the Schoeps... and in my opinion there are excellent options for those with budgets beyond the entry level, yet short of the CMC6 MK41. I did a comparison recording between the 480b/ck63 and the Oktava and since sound is subjective you can decide for yourself, but I hear a big difference in detail... I'll get all this posted this week.

The NT6 is here also... by the way.

 

[Jeremy Ordan]

I think I can be the first to say that there is nothing that you have to ever apologize for on this site, Matt. You've helped me and a ton of other people...

The NT6 is here also... by the way.

Kill it, Kill it now! That thing is scary!

-Jeremy

 

[marquee]

Man you are a kiss ass, yankee.

Although it was an honest mistake, Matt did the right thing and acknowledged his mistake. That I respect.

A lot of people listen and respect his advice to give the correct info, including myself. Not fabricated stories he heard somewhere else. I am surprised Jeff Wexler came on here.

If anyone knows anything about production sound, it's him.

How is this for kiss ass. Matt, if you lived in LA, I would have no doubt you would be incredibly successful if production sound was your thing.

I would never work with Scott Koue though.

Last thing before I get back to taxes, I think someone should take a poll on RAMPS to see who uses or even owns a T.H.E. mic. And if they did hear one, would replace their Schoeps with it. I'm betting no one and RAMPS is the industry.

I think I can be the first to say that there is nothing that you have to ever apologize for on this site, Matt. You've helped me and a ton of other people...



Kill it, Kill it now! That thing is scary!

-Jeremy

 

[Oleg 2]

Man you are a kiss ass, yankee.

Last thing before I get back to taxes, I think someone should take a poll on RAMPS to see who uses or even owns a T.H.E. mic. And if they did hear one, would replace their Schoeps with it. I'm betting no one and RAMPS is the industry.

RAMPS IS NOT THE INDUSTRY - ITS ABOUT 1% of American industry which contains about 90% of LA industry which mostly suffers from to many empty calendar days and about 0.005 all other film industries including me ,
most of the world industry is working much closer in the way this forum works and not as the RAMPS works.

so to say no one on ramps work with particle peas of equip might say nothing about what people actually use .
I bet if mr Wexler had to start now his business and rising him to the top he might was using different brand then schoeps and with his skills you or i never was thinking it not some extra costly brand on his boom .
since he is in position he doesnt have to compromise on the last 5% he can work and invest in any brand he like you other hand cant since you have decline it from your food .

ps - i own few schoepses now but it wasn't my first mic i bought
and frankly the main reason to change from mkh406,4 and akg451 was the collet cable system which caught my eiy( sorry i like toys) not some drastically sound change of the dialog .
ok, they were grate on lot of classical gigs i did for israelly tv but its not the main they were bought for .
i checked out few new mbho this weekend and might think i was not buying the schoepses now as a starter.the 603 with hyper sounds very good and costs less then half -

since there is no THE in Israel i cant check them to say if it worth more or less then octava

 

[Noiz2]

I am surprised Jeff Wexler came on here.

If anyone knows anything about production sound, it's him.

I'm not. He is on a bunch of sites, and he is a really nice guy and very knowledgeable.


"I would never work with Scott Koue though. "

Well thankfully for you that should not be a problem. Especially since you don't work in this industry.
SK

 

[matthewd5]

i love my mk-012 oktava.

i just ordered a second.

speaking of the oktava, has anyone tried the m1 or m3 head on one??

i don't know anything about T.H.E. mics except that the founder of the sound room is the guy who they say invented it. there is a write up somewhere on the sound room site that goes into details about it.

my new favorite toy is my sanken cos-11s

these are all tools/toys

different tools/toys for different jobs and different people.

my new toy that should be arriving monday or tuesday via ups is a sanken cub-01

it is a miniature cardioid boundary mic.

i don't have any firsthand knowledge of it, i have read a lot about it and i trust the guy at gotham sound who recommended it.

i do a LOT of shorts and you never know where you will have to stick a mic and this cub-01 is supposed to be a great plant mic. it is supposedly in use on a couple of major tv show.

also, i for one really appreciate mr. wexler stopping in here to share whatever knowledge or information that he felt was worth sharing or even correcting.

matthew