Shoulder or Steadi?

texvanwinkle

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Okay, I've spent a few nights now poring over about five years' worth of threads on different shoulder and steadicam-ish systems. Some of the older inexpensive models have apparently gone to the great gearhouse in the sky, so I'm wondering this:

What current equipment should my wife and I be looking at as shooters who need to be able to walk smoothly through wedding receptions with fairly stripped-down cameras (do we need much railed for weddings?), but don't expect to really need it for the short and feature work we want to do? (We're static and dolly fans, more Wyler than Greengrass.)

Basically we need something to get the cameras onto our shoulders or waists and be able to lower and raise them (both for down-angle shots and so my 5'1" wife can just get even), but also something we can use to move smoothly through a crowd and not just get standing-still shots. The RedRock Micro, SteadyStick and Spider each get them supported for an affordable price, but those--and even the much-pricier DVRigs--don't appear to provide a smooth walking-around ride.

The seemingly obvious solution would be something like the Merlin at $800, but I've seen very ho-hum reviews of it around here and elsewhere. I'm beginning to think the reviewer of the Merlin on Amazon was right who wrote, "I've also used a fig rig, which is much easier to control but doesn't give as smooth results. Basically, I haven't found a smooth-cam control at this budget level that I can really recommend."

What say the HVX users? Is there a well-regarded Steadicam-ish solution to be had for $1000 or less? Or can I get reasonably smooth shots from the shoulder/torso solutions, so I don't have to get the Steadicam-ish equipment that I don't plan to use much beyond that anyway?

Long post, I know, but my brain's gone much trying to shake out all the present and future needs. Thanks for any and all.
 
LOL, this is why I bought a Fig Rig! Too dang heavy for me to even THINK about using it for long shots. And smooth enough with practice to get decent walking, tracking, tilting, and panning shots on the move. Plus it's cheap.

For what you're talking about here you are certainly going to need some body support. The indicam stuff comes closest probably, but still busts your budget. Best of luck with this.
 
There is one product I have heard of that may work for you. It is the Indy Steady Cam and it is featured on a podcast by Pixel Heads Network called Expozed and here is the link: http://www.pixelheadsnetwork.com/20...ith-michael-knowles-from-the-indy-steady-cam/ . I will say that I have never used this or know anyone who has. For your application, this may not be the right thing just because it sticks out quite a bit. If anyone has used one of these, please post about it because my school is considering buying one.
 
The Indy Steady Cam looks fantastic. I would love to see it in a wedding environment though. I currently have a SpiderBrace and while it does the job, it really is limited to what it can do and is very perceptible to shakes and sudden movements.

Looking for solutions as well!

-Kegan
 
Tool (not used to calling someone that intentionally): Thanks for the suggestion. I've checked it out. That's indeed a possibility. Like the price, for sure. I can still see some definite shake in his demo footage, but seems like it's got to be better than trying to walk with a SteadyStick or the like. He really needs to be able to decouple the movement from his body a little more. It's given me some ideas of my own. Think I might have to take this up with my engineer dad this afternoon.

Anybody else have experience with the Indy?
 
Used the Indy Steadycam for a shoot last week, worked pretty well for my purposes.
I shot handheld with a 35mm adapter setup for 5-6 hours. My whole package weighed in at about 19-20 pounds. It made focusing and carrying the camera A LOT easier. Got to focus on framing rather than wrestling with a big setup. You still get a handheld look... I definitely recommend it if you have a heavier camera without the traditional steadicam budget. It should be marketed more as a support aid for shooting for long periods.
 
Thanks

Thanks

Hey VCREATIVE,

I'm glad my invention worked well for you. I am planning on marketing it more as a support apparatus. We've actually change the name and it is now called The Atlas Camera Support and Stabilization System. www.atlascamerasupport.com

Thanks again,

Michael Knowles - Inventor
 
Wow. That system looks pretty damn cool for the money. I Think I will order one and try it out. Thing is I am 6'7" 250. With the rod coming over my head I probably would hit 8 ft.
 
Here is a pic of the Atlas Camera Support - perfect for supporting a Halo Rig or any other camera rigs...

atlas-and-halorig-flyer.jpg
 
forget about all what has strap, belt, and other gears fixed on your body.
in a crowdy place, forget all steady/glide/...cam stuff.
The best i have found is the shoulder support. But definitely you have to build your own for few bucks to get serious results.
Why ? because you can cut and balance it exactly at you size.
i got a glidecam with vest and made such shoulder support, and believe me
the glidecam is taking dust in its bag for years now.
here is a picture of mine... (at least one of the latest one i built).
http://www.giroud2.com/divers/sx1.jpg
http://www.giroud2.com/divers/sx2.jpg

I do a lot of events , where you need to be several days , 10 hours.day with cam on the shoulder and it is a perfect fit for me.

just make sure the balance is slightly negative (when you leave it, the front goes up), so you just need to rest your hands on the bars to get it steady.
 
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