I shot my short film on DVX100A in the 24 p Normal mode. Now I am facing a decision in Final Cut Pro. Should I capture it as plain old NTSC and edit in 29.97 or should I capture it as 23.98 and edit in 23.98 so I can burn a 24p DVD? I have heard about how you still get the "film" look if you go with the plain old NTSC work flow. That's great. That's easy. But I want the option of a 24p DVD and possible out to film down the road. Doesn't that mean I have to edit in 23.98, even if the footage was shot in 24p and not 24pAdvanced? I read this great article on Ken Stone's site about the DVX100A and 24 p which answered many questions, but what I really need to know is what is the best way to capture and edit 24p Normal in Final Cut Pro to make a 24p DVD? I edited a 5-minute version of my film on a 23.38 timeline (I had captured the footage in 23.38) and burned to iDVD. While the footage looked fabulous and crystal clear, there was a strobe or flutter effect whenever an actor moved quickly that was noticeable and annoying. I know you're supposed to do a pulldown removal or something but I just don't know the proper way. I need a step-by-step from capture to export - at least the basics. Sorry for the length of this. :undecided
Shot in 24p Normal, which FCP timeline?
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Staven
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There isn't anything new or different from what you'd get from Ken Stone's article. You would do a reverse telecine to convert 29.97 to 24p footage. As far as I know you can't just throw 3:2 pulldown into 2:3:3:2 pulldown cadence and have a successful looking picture(ie juttery footage will happen).
Next time, if you want to have a true 24fps dvd, shoot in F6 / 24pAdvanced mode.
If you want 24p looking footage without having to deal with pulldown removal shoot F5/24p normal and treat it like any other 29.97 footage.
If the Ken Stone article is Natresses Tutorial, it touches on how to convert 24p normal into 24p advanced.
Next time, if you want to have a true 24fps dvd, shoot in F6 / 24pAdvanced mode.
If you want 24p looking footage without having to deal with pulldown removal shoot F5/24p normal and treat it like any other 29.97 footage.
If the Ken Stone article is Natresses Tutorial, it touches on how to convert 24p normal into 24p advanced.
Loki
Veteran
My personal suggestion here..
first off, you can't capture @ 23.98 when you have a source with 60i footage on it (ie: miniDV tape) FCP will randomly throw out frames to get that frame rate.
If you shot 24p normal, you need to capture at the NTSC 48Khz DV setting, take the captured footage into Cinema Tools and do a reverse telecine on it.
you'll save space this way and be able to edit on a 23.98 (or 24fps) timeline.
you can then make a 24p DVD.
but, also there really isn't much point in going through all that hassle if you want to make a DVD. The DVD player will perform that 2:3 pulldown for you yes, but if your project isn't very long, don't bother wasting the time editing on a 24p timeline and just edit at 29.97.
my two cents
first off, you can't capture @ 23.98 when you have a source with 60i footage on it (ie: miniDV tape) FCP will randomly throw out frames to get that frame rate.
If you shot 24p normal, you need to capture at the NTSC 48Khz DV setting, take the captured footage into Cinema Tools and do a reverse telecine on it.
you'll save space this way and be able to edit on a 23.98 (or 24fps) timeline.
you can then make a 24p DVD.
but, also there really isn't much point in going through all that hassle if you want to make a DVD. The DVD player will perform that 2:3 pulldown for you yes, but if your project isn't very long, don't bother wasting the time editing on a 24p timeline and just edit at 29.97.
my two cents
Graeme_Nattress
Red Team
You're spot on! If you want to make a 24p DVD, shoot 24pA and use the 24pA workflow, removing the pulldown and editing in a 23.98fps timline.
If you shot 24pN, then you're in for a rough ride using cinema tools to convert it over to 23.98 by removing normal pulldown. It can be done, but it's not pleasant.
I guess the idea is to read my article at Ken's before you shoot, not after
Graeme
If you shot 24pN, then you're in for a rough ride using cinema tools to convert it over to 23.98 by removing normal pulldown. It can be done, but it's not pleasant.
I guess the idea is to read my article at Ken's before you shoot, not after
Graeme
Graeme, one more related question to your statement "it's not pleasant." I have heard that if you take that "rough ride" and try to remove the normal pulldown with 24p Normal footage, there is some image degradation. Is this true? You have said that a 24 p native DVD is better quality than an NTSC DVD. Would that still be true in this situation, or would the 24p Normal footage actually come out looking worse on a 24p DVD than if you just used the regular 29.97 workflow and output an NTSC DVD? Bottom line, I might be willing to go through the trouble of all this to get a superior quality 24p DVD, but if that is not possible at this stage, then heck with it... Thanks
Graeme_Nattress
Red Team
There is a theoretical quality benefit to Advanced removal, and similarly, a theoretical quality degredation from removing Normal pulldown. However, it's subtle, and certainly more subtle (as it only effects one frame in four) that the quality improvement you'll get by making a 24p DVD.
Graeme
Graeme