shooting rain drops separatley?
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J.R. Hudson
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Re: shooting rain drops separatley?
Just gotta do it and see what you come up with. With the correct amoount of light and a fast shutter speed I'm sure you can catch a rain drop splashing down.
Maybe describe exactly what you are trying to do?
Just gotta do it and see what you come up with. With the correct amoount of light and a fast shutter speed I'm sure you can catch a rain drop splashing down.
Maybe describe exactly what you are trying to do?
Barry_Green
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Re: shooting rain drops separatley?
Frequently this effect is accomplished on film cameras by using strobe lights. That way the actual duration of the film shutter isn't really relevant, it's the duration of the blast of light that they can control to freeze individual droplets.
But you should be able to get a reasonable approximation of the effect by shooting at 1/1000 or so.
Frequently this effect is accomplished on film cameras by using strobe lights. That way the actual duration of the film shutter isn't really relevant, it's the duration of the blast of light that they can control to freeze individual droplets.
But you should be able to get a reasonable approximation of the effect by shooting at 1/1000 or so.
Re: shooting rain drops separatley?
You'll probably need LOTS of light, though.
You'll probably need LOTS of light, though.
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Re: shooting rain drops separatley?
Har! Another rain question!!!!
Well, what do you mean by individual rain drops?
The DVX can definitely capture rain drops/streaks, I do it all the time.
Tips:
1. Use a shutter speed of 1/48 or... faster (meaning 1/50, 1/250).. Stay away from 1/24 and slower.
2. Shooting in early morning/evening gray (overcast) helps. I have had problems getting rain shots at night. I think if you "backlight" the rain (just point a spotlight towards the camera) you can pull the rain streaks out, but you'll have to frame to keep from having this ball of white overexposed lamp in the picture....
3. It helps if you frame the shot to include a puddle or pond or something that will show the ripples when the rain drops hit. Showing the rain sliding off something works well too. This helps the brain create the illusion of streaking rain. Otherwise it might look like random noise.
In general at 24p you can expect a one or two frame rain streak with a longer (3-24 frame) ripple.
I'll try and post some sample footage/frames.
Har! Another rain question!!!!
Well, what do you mean by individual rain drops?
The DVX can definitely capture rain drops/streaks, I do it all the time.
Tips:
1. Use a shutter speed of 1/48 or... faster (meaning 1/50, 1/250).. Stay away from 1/24 and slower.
2. Shooting in early morning/evening gray (overcast) helps. I have had problems getting rain shots at night. I think if you "backlight" the rain (just point a spotlight towards the camera) you can pull the rain streaks out, but you'll have to frame to keep from having this ball of white overexposed lamp in the picture....
3. It helps if you frame the shot to include a puddle or pond or something that will show the ripples when the rain drops hit. Showing the rain sliding off something works well too. This helps the brain create the illusion of streaking rain. Otherwise it might look like random noise.
In general at 24p you can expect a one or two frame rain streak with a longer (3-24 frame) ripple.
I'll try and post some sample footage/frames.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Re: shooting rain drops separatley?
Yeah -- do you want streaks, or individual crisp round drops? The shutter speed will determine that. When you see a food ad where there's someone squeezing a lemon or something and there's crystal-clear drops of juice shooting out of it, that's done with the strobe lights (and may be able to be simulated with a super-short shutter speed). The longer your shutter speed, the more "streaky" the water will become.
Yeah -- do you want streaks, or individual crisp round drops? The shutter speed will determine that. When you see a food ad where there's someone squeezing a lemon or something and there's crystal-clear drops of juice shooting out of it, that's done with the strobe lights (and may be able to be simulated with a super-short shutter speed). The longer your shutter speed, the more "streaky" the water will become.
Re: shooting rain drops separatley?
Thanx everyone.
Sorry for a rather dumb question
Actually I feel fascinated with falling rain drops and streaks, with some light reflections and slow-mo effect, where at times it is possible to capture even indicidual rain drops.
But thanx a lot... Now I have very useful info regarding an area about which I hardly have any experience.
Thanx everyone.
Sorry for a rather dumb question
Actually I feel fascinated with falling rain drops and streaks, with some light reflections and slow-mo effect, where at times it is possible to capture even indicidual rain drops.
But thanx a lot... Now I have very useful info regarding an area about which I hardly have any experience.
Re: shooting rain drops separatley?
Backlighting rain is the best way for the camera. Usually I use two large light to create 2 vertical slashes on a plane roughly 5-10" behind the subject. SHutter speed is a matter of choice. A slower shutter speed will actually make the movement of the water appear to be more intense, whereas a faster shutter "freezes" the droplet in the frame. It is exactly like taking a picture of a race car. A fast shutter freezes the wheel, but a slow shutter lets the whell blur creating a sense of movement.
You can experiment using a garden hose and a v-shaped sprinkler head and a few 1/2K worklights. Just make sure you absolutely control the spray pattern. Water and 110V equals crispy DPs.
Backlighting rain is the best way for the camera. Usually I use two large light to create 2 vertical slashes on a plane roughly 5-10" behind the subject. SHutter speed is a matter of choice. A slower shutter speed will actually make the movement of the water appear to be more intense, whereas a faster shutter "freezes" the droplet in the frame. It is exactly like taking a picture of a race car. A fast shutter freezes the wheel, but a slow shutter lets the whell blur creating a sense of movement.
You can experiment using a garden hose and a v-shaped sprinkler head and a few 1/2K worklights. Just make sure you absolutely control the spray pattern. Water and 110V equals crispy DPs.
Terry_Lasater
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Re: shooting rain drops separatley?
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Re: shooting rain drops separatley?
Hey Pennred,
Do you have any sample clips of rain captured at a slow shutter speed? I know "slower shutter speed" is a relative term, but whenever I try and capture rain at 1/24 I don't get the raindrops/streaks. Instead I get this weird/surreal splash (and not even a very good splash to be honest) on the talent/puddles/props/whatever it is I'm filming (when the raindrops hit) but nothing to indicate what just hit. I have to go 1/48 or higher to capture the rain in the air.
Maybe I should try 1/24 in a heavier rain, not a light drizzle?
I'm going to try your backlight suggestion the next rainy night we get up here - I hadn't thought to double backlight. Thanks for the tip.
[quote author=pennred link=board=news;num=1085854592;start=0#7 date=05/30/04 at 15:52:56] A slower shutter speed will actually make the movement of the water appear to be more intense, whereas a faster shutter "freezes" the droplet in the frame.
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Hey Pennred,
Do you have any sample clips of rain captured at a slow shutter speed? I know "slower shutter speed" is a relative term, but whenever I try and capture rain at 1/24 I don't get the raindrops/streaks. Instead I get this weird/surreal splash (and not even a very good splash to be honest) on the talent/puddles/props/whatever it is I'm filming (when the raindrops hit) but nothing to indicate what just hit. I have to go 1/48 or higher to capture the rain in the air.
Maybe I should try 1/24 in a heavier rain, not a light drizzle?
I'm going to try your backlight suggestion the next rainy night we get up here - I hadn't thought to double backlight. Thanks for the tip.
[quote author=pennred link=board=news;num=1085854592;start=0#7 date=05/30/04 at 15:52:56] A slower shutter speed will actually make the movement of the water appear to be more intense, whereas a faster shutter "freezes" the droplet in the frame.
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Re: shooting rain drops separatley?
I don't have the ability to post a clip online but here is a link from the web. http://www.volksmovie.com/tech/artificial-rain.htm
When you try spray heads, try multiple heads. Go to Home Depot and shop around.
Joe
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I don't have the ability to post a clip online but here is a link from the web. http://www.volksmovie.com/tech/artificial-rain.htm
When you try spray heads, try multiple heads. Go to Home Depot and shop around.
Joe
Crispy DPs, patent pending, America's newest lowcard snack treat.
