Shooting Periphery live with six cameras advice?

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wakayoda

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First of all I have aranged this with the promotor/band and have a release form ready.

Going to have two shooting handheld, the other four cameras will be placed shooting angles that would not be possible to shoot handheld due to the size of the stage.

Recording the audio using a 16 track with 16 outputs from the desk, with a seperate recorded at the back with overheads for the cymbals.

Can you pass any advice over as I don't want to miss anything when this is such a high profile shoot.

There will be no busy lightshow, but about two/three photographers; providing flash helping to enhance action.

Venue - Facebar, Red Room - http://thefacebar.moonfruit.com/#/hire/4544947540


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dont use auto iris since camera flash will fool the cameras. I found that out the hard way because the camers close the iris becuase of to much light then take to long to open back up so you get a dark spot on your footage. How are you recording 16 outputs? Why dotn you just have the main sound board mix it and send you one xlr feed. 6 cams can only support 12 audio in outs anyway.
 
Richter Video Equipment said:
dont use auto iris since camera flash will fool the cameras. I found that out the hard way because the camers close the iris becuase of to much light then take to long to open back up so you get a dark spot on your footage. How are you recording 16 outputs? Why dotn you just have the main sound board mix it and send you one xlr feed. 6 cams can only support 12 audio in outs anyway.
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The focus of the sound guy and his board is to mix the output so it sounds good in the venue. That mix, sent to cameras or a recorder, might very well sound awful and not suitable for the purposes of the video.

You ask a good question though -- how does he plan to record 16 channels?
 
For every show we record the video and the audio separate, for this show the audio is being recorded as if it was a session recording so 16 tracks direct from the desk un mixed by the engineer. As a fail safe there will be a stereo out from the desk.

But for this show I'm taking my computer and two 8 track firewire mixers, since we are at the venue 5 hours before the event we have time to test every thing.

During post production after I sync up all of the video I export the audio as a wav per camera, I then meet up withe my sound tech for a day to mix it all. :D

So we get all of the real "room" noise plus the crowd from the cameras and the clarity from the mixing desk.

Hope that makes more sense then the first post.

Cheers!
 
What is your mic placement going to be like? You have lots of options.

Close micing instruments?

stereo mic setup for the room's full sound?

Audience Mics for the interaction between audience and performer?

You will have to keep things like phasing in mind for your mic placement.

also to consider during your mix is the delay time. Mics that are closer to the sound source will get hit with the sound before mics that are further away. When played back at the same time, the mix can sound muddy and phased out.

My advice for your cameras is to keep moving all the time. I like my music video operators to change their shots every 5-10 seconds always using motion with intent and purpose. Capture and create action that you can cut on. Following this rule with six cameras you should have very dynamic visuals.
 
The two 8 track mixers will be plugged into my PC via Firwire.

I tend to tell all my camera operators to capture the action in a way they would want to see it, so at one show the guy shooting from the sound desk made the camera follow the band as they jumped. Good idea with the 5/10 second thing silentnoise.

For this shoot the most expensive camera I'm using is a Nikon 3100 as the show is nearly sold out, plus there will be barriers there.... the venue hasn't used barriers in four years. I'll have three cameras handheld, one attached to the lighting rig for the pit/stage, one on the drummer and one facing from the stage out to the crowd.

I'll get some pics up of the venue when I get there as the load in is 7 hours before the show starts. :D
 
make sure to get some pickup shots that you can use to edit over sections when nobody seems to have a good shot. sounds like a lot of fun good luck!
 
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