Shake 4.1 VS Motion?

Shake is a compositor and Motion is for motion graphics.

hmfilmer said:
what the diffrence? is Motion like after effect? which one is better?
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Motion is similar to PART of AE. AE does a lot more than Motion, though. Motion is very good for what it does. Shake has won Academy Awards. AE takes a large investment in time to learn to use it well. Shake also is going to require a large investment in time. Motion is fairly easy to learn and has a great interconnectivity with FCP. It really comes down to what you want to do and how much time you're willing to invest learning the program. There are some guys here that are really good with AE like Kai and Matt Grunau. I've seen some great work with Motion, too.
 
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thanks for your help

how about eyeon fusion? is shake 4.1 better then fusion?
 
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hmfilmer, Ill just tell you my scenario. At this stage I dont have the hours to invest in tackling a compositor, whilst I do have shake I dont use it much but there are some things I have learnt and use fairly often so at the price point the ROI has been great. Motion is much simpler to learn and use, it is for motion graphics and is a totally different ballgame than AE or shake. But because of simplicity I can get a hell of a lot out of it.

If you have the time to learn shake or AE go ahead, I would love to personally. If your really stuck for time, then save your $$.

I prefer the shake interface to AE.
 
Here's what I use Shake for:

Keys
Roto work
Compositing
Dust Busting
SmoothCam
Fixing BlownOut shots
Morphing
Time Mapping

Here's what I still use AE for:
Text effects
3d graphic work
Photo motion

Here's what I use Motion for:
Ummm...

CaptM
 
You are not asking the right question. There isn't such thing as "better" than the other. It's what's better for the job. All of those are compositing software that have very different strenght and weaknesses... What you need to ask yourself is: What am I going to do with it... After fx is great for graphics, shake and fusion are geared toward film digital compositing. Combustion can do both fairly well. Motion is useless.

If you need something that's solid a flexible and cross platfrom, I would recommend either After FX or Combustion. I think Combustion offers much more for the money, but has not been around for as long, so it's not as popular as After FX.
 
thanks for all the replys, i am getting alots of info i need, and I will look into some of those software...
 
Yes, it all only comes bundled as Final Cut Suite. Which is priced tons cheaper than buying everything seperately. Final Cut Suite includes:
Final Cut Pro
Cinema Tools
Qmaster
LiveType
Compressor
SoundTrack Pro
Motion
DVD Studio Pro
QuickTime Pro

You can no longer buy any of them seperately.
 
SomewhereinLA said:
Motion is useless.
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Totally disagree. I use it to make my own custom Alpha Transitions for DVDSP all the time. Very quick, easy, powerful. With FX Factory, it's pretty powerful, fast and easy. It's the hottest training selling of all Apple's pro apps.
 
Blaine said:
Actually, unless they've recently changed it, you get QuickTime, not QuickTime Pro.
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QTPro has always come with the pro apps, you HAVE to have QTPro to run them. You get regular QT with your Mac right out of the box. The pro apps install QTPro. It's always been that way. You couldn't run FCP or Motion or anything without it.
 
I've used Motion 2 since I've picked up Final Cut Studio last year and only recently started looking at alternatives, such as After Effects (mainly because of 3D/camera options).

I have to say that while it lacks many important features found in something like After Effects, for 2D compositions it's a wonderful alternative. It's fast and easy to get started with and doesn't bog you down with menus, panels or popups. I'd also like to add, that it's not a "small" app that some make it sound and has a lot of cool features and options of it's own.
 
BenB said:
QTPro has always come with the pro apps, you HAVE to have QTPro to run them. You get regular QT with your Mac right out of the box. The pro apps install QTPro. It's always been that way. You couldn't run FCP or Motion or anything without it.
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I'm going to back track a bit. Yes, you get QT with the Mac. BUT you have to pay to have the upgrade to QTPro. IN FACT, whe FCP upgraded from 4 to 5, I had to but a NEW upgrade to QTPro. QTPro isn't a requirement for FCP, it just makes like a lot easier with many things that you'd like to do. Apple calls out QT 7.0.4 as requirement for Final Cut Studio.

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=6C04E07A&nplm=MA285Z/A
 
CaptainMench said:
Here's what I use Shake for:

Keys
Roto work
Compositing
Dust Busting
SmoothCam
Fixing BlownOut shots
Morphing
Time Mapping

Here's what I still use AE for:
Text effects
3d graphic work
Photo motion

Here's what I use Motion for:
Ummm...

CaptM
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Here is what CaptM could use motion for.

Keys
Roto work
Compositing

Text effects
Photo motion

Not to mention Motion is Light Years faster than AE or Shake. If motion had motion tracking I would use it as a dedicated realtime color corrector. Add colorista
 
Nik Manning said:
Here is what CaptM could use motion for.

Keys
Roto work
Compositing

Text effects
Photo motion

Not to mention Motion is Light Years faster than AE or Shake. If motion had motion tracking I would use it as a dedicated realtime color corrector. Add colorista
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The problem is not what motion can do, it's what motion can do well... In my opinion it doesn't do anything well, everything I have ever seen done with it looks like a cheap plug-in. Sure if you don't know composting and need to animate type or add a quick effects, I am sure it's ok...but it's not considered an industry standard for high end compositing. It's also only fast with a very limited amount of layers. I bought my 1st Mac in 1989, have loved everything Apple has done (even had a Newton), love FCP, DVD pro, etc... but they definitely got it wrong with Motion.
 
The other issue I have with Motion is personnal. It is anti-intuitive to the way I think about keyframing and motion building.

So I use what I know... I'm still trying to learn Motion. And for sure it's amaizing piece of technology on my Intel3ghz superfast GPU machine...

... just...

CaptM
 
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