SGpro or Keep my Redrock

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Loren Simons

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I'm not really happy with the sharpness of my redrock, i feel like the camera itself is sharper without the redrock than with. I know that the point of a 35mm adapter isn't to make the image sharper, but would this be my lens? or would it be the actual adapter? Any advice would be much appreciated :Drogar-Happy(DBG):
 
its not to make it sharper. its to be able to obtain the image characteristics of 35mm lenses.

The SG maybe sharper than the red rock, though noone really knows, but you probably wont see too big of an increase. Just make sure your backfocus is REALLLY spot on that makes worlds of difference.
 
All adapters will soften the image to some extent. That's one of the tradeoffs in using an adapter.

The more important factor is uniformity across the frame... edge to edge sharpness... That's what you want to focus on and make sure you are happy there.

Now, I've heard that the Redrock can take some more initial fussing with to get it performing optimally than some of the others will out of the box, but all are capable of good results, and all have their own tradeoffs and benefits.

SGPro is widely regarded as being a solid all around adapter that performs well out of the box by most accounts I have read here. I have never used an SGPro personally, so I can't speak to that... just reporting what I have read.

Later,
Jason
 
thanks, i kinda figured it wouldn't make too big of a difference, can you just clarify what you mean by backfocus?
And jason, what do you mean by fussing with? what is there to fuss with? The ground glass, or is there anymore?
 
Yeah, you should just work on getting your m2 expertly set, lots of people have done it. Not all the m2 footage out there is soft.
 
Ive got an SGpro flip and when I used a redrock (on the same camera I use on my SGpro) I was shocked. Im so used to the SGpro images, the stuff that was coming out of the redrock was appalling by comparison.

Id get the SGpro, theres no way id ever get an M2 having used it...
 
Macaholic262 said:
i feel like the camera itself is sharper without the redrock than with. I know that the point of a 35mm adapter isn't to make the image sharper, but would this be my lens?
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It is the matter of taste.. When I first tested DIY DOF adapter with EE-A screen, I was actually pleased with a little bit softer picture.

I shoot in SD and when I resized picture of non-adapter futage to full screen on computer or even FullHD TV it was awful. And when I watched same resolution shoot with adapter I was very plesed even on the big screen..

And the another benefit is that the amount of light ( at over-lited areas ) don't response linear as on direst CCD but with more natural response..

My thoughts..
 
The M2 is definitely not the sharpest adapter out there. When I used it for the first time I was focusing on my onboard A1's LCD and I couldn't do it. Image too soft. The next time I used it I had an Ikan HD monitor and I still couldn't get the image to look sharp.

Then I got the LEX and now I easily focus just using the A1's LCD. World of difference in term of sharpness.
 
I was never able to get proper focus on the red rock. got the sgpro sice and have not looked back. Although i've seen very nice footage of the m2, I've yet to see 1080 footage that screams hd to me. scaled down, and in standard def.you can get away it, but not worthy putting its footage on an hd tv imo.
 
Macaholic262 said:
I'm not really happy with the sharpness of my redrock, i feel like the camera itself is sharper without the redrock than with. I know that the point of a 35mm adapter isn't to make the image sharper, but would this be my lens? or would it be the actual adapter? Any advice would be much appreciated :Drogar-Happy(DBG):
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I lived with the M2 for 2 years and I recently sold it and bought an SGpro after much research. I couldn't be more happy with it. I shot a feature film and a slew of commercials with the M2 and without doing any serious testing I can honestly say the SGpro is significantly superior.

I would however suggest using the Redrock baseplate & rods with the SGpro adapter.

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One thing about the redrock baseplate is that it's also where you mount your tripod plate. That is often not the center of your adapter rig. You should get a separate piece that you can mount your tripod plate to that attaches to your rods.
 
Matty_g said:
One thing about the redrock baseplate is that it's also where you mount your tripod plate. That is often not the center of your adapter rig. You should get a separate piece that you can mount your tripod plate to that attaches to your rods.
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Their new rails seems to fix this problem. Looks nice too. All their new support shiz looks nice, in fact, but that's for another thread....
 
wow, i left for a few hours, and this thread went booming! hahaha thank you SimonB that is something of intrest, i think maybe i'll wait and see what i can do to maybe fix this issue, i love the lenses im using (pretty sure i actually bought them from you SimonB) and when they are on my still camera, they are gorgeous! so i just had to assume that it was something within the adapter. I will definatly take a look at some of those tutorials
thanks to all! and maybe if im still not happy with the sharpness i will wait for the damn euro to USD ratio to even out a lil =]
here is my vimeo account, the "Greatest Book Of all Time" shows my concern a little bit.
http://www.vimeo.com/user335556/videos
 
i have worked with the redrock and the sgpro for a while now. Notice most people dont sit down and really take the time to set it up (aka fuss with it). Which does take a while and is somewhat tedious. One reason i wouldnt recomend renting it for a person that hasnt owned it. It has to be set up perfectly. When it is i dont see hardly a difference in sharpness between the sgpro. But it does have a totally different look.
 
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