SG pro rev3 vs Letus Extreme in regard to creative options

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I am in the market for a 35mm adapter and I have read lots of reviews on both the SG pro and Letus EX.So far its have been hard to find a decisive review to ease my indecisiveness :) . My questions are which adapter will get me more freedom and if that freedom a real benefit over the other adapter. Currently I am Leaning more on the SG (with the flip) side of the fence because from what i have read it is the most filmic adapter on the market ( with the same camera man if you get what I mean).

Btw. Is it still posable buy new manual Nikon primes lenses. (any good stores Australia or other wise)

Thanks
Hvx User and Lover
Alex.

P.S. If any one lives in Tasmania, Australia with an adapter would it be possible for me to come around just to have a look at one.

(Freedom defended as Creative options such as shutter speed and apertures.)
 
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in terms of filmic bokeh it will be the sgpro,but ease of use, right side up image,stunning shrpness,no vignetting and still a nice film look,not as filmic as the sgpro,you would want the letus ex.
 
in terms of filmic bokeh it will be the sgpro,but ease of use, right side up image,stunning shrpness,no vignetting and still a nice film look,not as filmic as the sgpro,you would want the letus ex.
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The SGpro is easier to use, in my opinion. It hard mounts instead of requiring you to screw allen bolts to hold it in place. It is very sharp and has no vignetting whatsoever at any focal length, aperture and shutter speed.
 
Bokeh Rendition was kinda thrown out the window a while ago. The Letus "renders" great "bokeh" with great lenses. And, not only that, there were examples of what some people here consider terrible Bokeh in big hollywood productions. I see it all the time in movies.

I'm also lost on how any of the adapters offer a more "filmic" look over the other. They all do the same basic job: allow for selective focus and an added bonus of light diffusion.

The MAJOR difference?

SGpro - Spinning GG = Higher Shutter Speeds, Ability to Stop down much further before seeing Grain.

LetusEX - Less light Loss, inherently right side up.

No matter which you choose (SGpro w/flip of course) you're going to come out on top. These two units produce the best results when attached to an HVX200 and are only bettered depending on user.

An extra thing that I love about my LetusEx, though, is the ability to Zoom in on the GG all the way and still get a sharp image. It's almost like mimicking a longer focal-length but what you're really doing is "cropping" into the image further. It's better than doing it in post by far, and in tight spots where you need it, it REALLY comes in handy. I'd say that's definitely a creative plus.

I'm not sure if you can do it now with the FLIP unit attached to the SGpro, if you can then that's even better.
 
Sounds good. I'm about to post more examples of it form the LetusEX. I'd like to see some from the SGpro as well.
 
Thanks so much for the info it really looks like i can't go wrong. Methinks I will get the SGpro (I love the look of High Shutter speeds).
 
Both are a great choice. You trade out the light loss but gain the shutter speeds AND you still get the combination of the Letus Flip optics which are great.

Post footages!
 
The light loss differences between SGPro and Letus are negligable. In my tests the SGPro Rev2 was slightly faster but in both my tests and Tim Naylor's the differences were very minor. Bigger difference with the Brevis CF1L which is noticeably faster especially with 2.8 lenses.

There are differences in how the image looks, Call it Bokeh or whatever you want. SGPro is probably the prettiest but with slightly more diffusion. Letus is close to SG. The Brevis CF1L has the least "effect" from diffusion on the screen. This is good or bad depending on your taste and needs. All 3 look damn good.

All 3 now have a flip with the ability to zoom in on screen.

God is great!


Lenny Levy
 
Strange that people throw around... what... a half stop difference as negligible? Correct me if I'm wrong here. But Flipped + Half a stop difference?

SGpro + Flip loses even more light. That was the point.
 
As I recall Tim's test was less than a half stop - I seem to recall a third or even a quarter stop though I may be wrong. In my tests I had it the other way around with the Letus losing more light and my tests were also very careful.

I can't account for the difference between my results and Tim's but to my mind that means they are darn close and my impression is that people make too much of the difference .

If speed is that important though the Brevis was clearly faster in my tests. Didn't try Brevis or SG with their Flips though it sounds like they don't effect speed hardly at all.

Lenny Levy
 
Redrock have been so quiet for such a long time. Are there plans for them to bring out a new adaptor? They are falling behind as all the others are revising, updating etc...Surely to keep up they need to not forget why they started in the first place. All the accessories are great but don't forget the M2!!
 
Th possibility of a new M2 has made me hesitant to click the button on ordering. But then again some thing better is always on the horizon
 
I seen that red rock is coming out with a flip model that looks lke the other flip modules coming out, so that leads me to believe that they have no intention on updrading the m2 asdapter iself, but only giveing the option to flip.

unless they adress the various important gripes about their adapter, i seriously doubt their adapter will be able to sustain the modern competition thats out there.

so if the m2 already looses 2+ stops of light,what would persuade someone to put a fip on it and loose more light.

i love the m2s image,and just as letus's empire strikes back,all it would take is a modern upgrae from red rock without sacrifising that filmic look to get back in the game.
 
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As I recall Tim's test was less than a half stop - I seem to recall a third or even a quarter stop though I may be wrong. In my tests I had it the other way around with the Letus losing more light and my tests were also very careful.

I can't account for the difference between my results and Tim's but to my mind that means they are darn close and my impression is that people make too much of the difference .

If speed is that important though the Brevis was clearly faster in my tests. Didn't try Brevis or SG with their Flips though it sounds like they don't effect speed hardly at all.

Lenny Levy
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EX production models lose less than half a stop. Been reported by Ryan E, Barry_Green, and the Letus camp but it's advertised a half-stop. And it flips. I'm sure if it didn't then there's no way that any of the adapters would match the light loss.

In all fairness, it's best to judge with Flip Unit's attached as well. Don't quote me, I think that the SGpro Flip Unit (Or Letus Universal Flip) removes another 1/3. No telling how much the Brevis loses. Letus EX still retains the most light. Now, if that isn't IMPORTANT to some people, that's different and I can understand that one person might love the extra light, another may want the spinning GG.

Either way, as I said, SGproFlip and LetusEX are both winning choices. You can't really go wrong eith either setup.
 
Kholi,
There's lots of claims out there for how much stop each of these adapters loses and they seem to vary with the tester. It seems like you are basing your quite strong opinions on various tests or announcements you've read not personal experience. ( I could be wrong)

I did my own tests carefully and reported what I found. My Letus EX lost more than 1/2 stop. Believe what you want, but I'm simply cautioning readers in general to be less certain about 1/2 stop differences they are inferring from varying tests.

In the end I would agree that "SGproFlip and LetusEX are both winning choices. You can't really go wrong either setup." I would certainly add the Brevis to that.
 
You are wrong. Why your Letus EX lost more than half a stop? I have no idea. You'd be the only case. How my M2 performs versus my LetusEX? No question.

How an SGpro lost more light with the same 1.4 nikon (mines) right beside it? No question.

I'm not adding the Brevis to the end of that sentence because I'd be lying as far as I'm concerned.
 
Kholi,
I don't think we should continue this as an argument. But I suggest you show a little more humility. If you ran tests with different results then add them to the discussion, we can all profit from more input.

I've got a real bug about people doing careful tests and not making unsubstantiated claims about the these adapters. Add your opinions and argue for them, but please don't tell me I don't know what I'm doing and that I'm "wrong".


Lenny Levy
 
It seems like you are basing your quite strong opinions on various tests or announcements you've read not personal experience. ( I could be wrong)
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That's what you're wrong about. I never said your TESTS were wrong. I know what I saw with my own eyes, that's enough for me. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. SGpro on ONE cam, Letus on ONE cam. MY camera. It's not Scientific, just what it looks like and it looks like the Letus loss less light with the same lens strapped on.

You're also wrong in suggesting that I add something else to my own opinion. I won't recommend the Brevis to anyone, why should I add it to my own list of do-wells and do-betters?

Your bug is your problem, honestly. But, because some people have formulated opinions on what has worked this way for them or that way for those guys, you ought not to go about shoving other things in their faces. If the Brevis gets left out, oh well?
 
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