Yas Kassana
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specialed said:
Well, nobody is perfect.
Sexuality in filmmaking
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Well, nobody is perfect.
rook
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I have no problem with sex scenes and most of what I see in movies, I think is pretty tame.
Sex is great. It's fun to do and fun to watch. The more graphic the better. I'm not saying we should sit children down and have them watch porn but what children watch is the parent's responsibility entirely and not the filmmakers.
There is NOTHING inherently wrong with a graphic sex scene in a movie.
-rook
Sex is great. It's fun to do and fun to watch. The more graphic the better. I'm not saying we should sit children down and have them watch porn but what children watch is the parent's responsibility entirely and not the filmmakers.
There is NOTHING inherently wrong with a graphic sex scene in a movie.
-rook
rook said:
i agree. If youre an adult, ( and i mean a grown up mature person not a person over age 18) you can make movies, and watch movies with nudity and or sex.
On the other hand, sexuality can be utilized and expressed thrugh conversation and gesutre. ( the Speeding ticket allegory in Double Indemnity)
That however requires work and brilliant writing. Two things coming up short in most movies.
Zak Forsman
Major Contributor
then stop watching bad movies. there's an entire world of cinema out there.TimurCivan said:i agree. If youre an adult, ( and i mean a grown up mature person not a person over age 18) you can make movies, and watch movies with nudity and or sex.
On the other hand, sexuality can be utilized and expressed thrugh conversation and gesutre. ( the Speeding ticket allegory in Double Indemnity)
That however requires work and brilliant writing. Two things coming up short in most movies.
Batutta
Major Contributor
The question isn't if sex is needed in films, but wether or not it's being used to make a point, or if it's just done for pure titillation. Too many films use sex just to tittilate. The same applies to violence. That said, I don't think any topic should be off limits artistically. Artists have a right to explore any topic they desire as long as they do it with honesty.
cygnet74 said:
I love bad movies the most!
the worse the better! like "Shark Attack 3: Megaladon".....
It was great. and it had pointless sex, and then more pointless talking about sex.
but it was still enjoyable as a toungue in cheek campy piece of cinema. ITs about looking at it like an adult, and enjoying the good qualities in each film.
Granted some are not done so well. but ehh what can you do.
Aaron Marshall
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FourStarCinema said:
Bravo :thumbsup:
mystico
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I don't have a problem with sex or violence--or their combinations and derivatives in movies (rape, incest, etc.). But as others have said, there are artistic ways of depicting both and there are simply tittilating ways of depicting both. These may vary from the pure sex or violence fest with little meaning attached to either ... to using either to make a point. My original argument was never against including sex in a movie. My point was that when your target audience includes members of our society whom we have judged immature or ill-prepared for a certain subject matter--be it sex or violence--the movie should not include pointless, explicit depictions of either.
I personally believe there is nothing wrong with an 8-year-old seeing two adults kissing passionately. Kids learn from watching adults what is expected in relationships. I would not take that 8 y.o. away from the screen if those two adults are of the same gender. That last statement could likely provoke a whole new thread but ... whatever. However, the scene loses its appropriateness for that 8 y.o. once these two adults begin touching one another's genitals, performing oral copulation, or being obviously naked and making sexual movements. Again, the only thing missing is a CU of the penetration. If and only if your audience includes such young children, what would be the point of taking the scene to that extreme. IF your audience includes people that young, the overall tone and point of your movie is likely NOT sex. So are we to say that the adults in the room need this in order to enjoy the movie? Since others have brought up violence, I will add that here. Let's take the Matrix. Bullet travels in slow motion and rips through Neo's leg. No problem. If that same bullet had gone into his skull and the FX had included spraying brain matter and skull chunks, I would say such a scene is inappropriate.
You know, I really do believe we Americans are too whiny about many things and worry too much about our kids' exposure to certain things. In fact, I understand that although some Euro countries' sexual exposure norms are more lax than ours, their rates for teen pregnancy, STDs, sex outside serious relationships, etc. is much lower than ours. But I also understand that the reason for that, in part, is that Euro kids are exposed to more frank sex education than ours--not that they are exposed to explicit, pointless sexuality in their media. So whoever tried to make that argument, please prove me wrong. Anyway ... my 2 cents.
I personally believe there is nothing wrong with an 8-year-old seeing two adults kissing passionately. Kids learn from watching adults what is expected in relationships. I would not take that 8 y.o. away from the screen if those two adults are of the same gender. That last statement could likely provoke a whole new thread but ... whatever. However, the scene loses its appropriateness for that 8 y.o. once these two adults begin touching one another's genitals, performing oral copulation, or being obviously naked and making sexual movements. Again, the only thing missing is a CU of the penetration. If and only if your audience includes such young children, what would be the point of taking the scene to that extreme. IF your audience includes people that young, the overall tone and point of your movie is likely NOT sex. So are we to say that the adults in the room need this in order to enjoy the movie? Since others have brought up violence, I will add that here. Let's take the Matrix. Bullet travels in slow motion and rips through Neo's leg. No problem. If that same bullet had gone into his skull and the FX had included spraying brain matter and skull chunks, I would say such a scene is inappropriate.
You know, I really do believe we Americans are too whiny about many things and worry too much about our kids' exposure to certain things. In fact, I understand that although some Euro countries' sexual exposure norms are more lax than ours, their rates for teen pregnancy, STDs, sex outside serious relationships, etc. is much lower than ours. But I also understand that the reason for that, in part, is that Euro kids are exposed to more frank sex education than ours--not that they are exposed to explicit, pointless sexuality in their media. So whoever tried to make that argument, please prove me wrong. Anyway ... my 2 cents.
thartley
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There was another pretty good discussion of this topic when A History of Violence came out:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=34940&highlight=History+Violence
Unbelievably, people were bringing their kids to see that one! But well, to each his own. You will always have the filmmakers who will push the envelope on the explicit sex to sell tickets or generate hype, which should just serve to challenge other filmmakers (if they are of a mind to) to use good story-showing skills and use what they believe works to serve the story.
On the other side of this discussion could be the whole MPAA rating system (or lack of). Basically, as a parent, do your research on the movies you contemplate taking your kids to see. PG-13 means you take a risk if you have no other info about the film. And if you REALLY want to taste a movie sans possible offensive content, check this site out and the links they provide. There are options for some....
http://www.changingchannels.org/movies.htm
I have friends who use a service similar to the ones mentioned there.
Terri
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=34940&highlight=History+Violence
Unbelievably, people were bringing their kids to see that one! But well, to each his own. You will always have the filmmakers who will push the envelope on the explicit sex to sell tickets or generate hype, which should just serve to challenge other filmmakers (if they are of a mind to) to use good story-showing skills and use what they believe works to serve the story.
On the other side of this discussion could be the whole MPAA rating system (or lack of). Basically, as a parent, do your research on the movies you contemplate taking your kids to see. PG-13 means you take a risk if you have no other info about the film. And if you REALLY want to taste a movie sans possible offensive content, check this site out and the links they provide. There are options for some....
http://www.changingchannels.org/movies.htm
I have friends who use a service similar to the ones mentioned there.
Terri