SENNHEISER ME62/K6 COMBO VS OKTAVA MC012 COMBO

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David_M_Payne

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SENNHEISER ME62/K6 COMBO VS OKTAVA MC012 combo
Omni Directional Shotgun Microphone System - K6 Powering Module - ME62 Omni Directional Capsule at EVS for $334.95. (No mic holder) for a link to the EVS site (click here.)

OKTAVA MC012 is pretty well recommended here, and I ran across this combo set on the sound room site (click here to view the set) It comes with -10db, omni, cardioid & hypercardioid capsules, and this looked pretty good for my first combo mic set. It comes with a SSM-1 mic holder for $349. (The $299 price on this link isn't right for the set with the SSM-1 , but the other link didn't work right here.) Is the Oktava combo better than the Sennheiser ME62/K6 combo above?

How is this mic holder, and is it for a boom pole or a stand, or both? Here is a link to a page for this mic holder, and it only runs $49-59. http://sound-room.com/customer/home.php?cat=6

Thoughts? Thanks.

David
 
Re: SENNHEISER ME62/K6 COMBO VS OKTAVA MC012 COMBO

The K6 combo setup will give you the option of going with the ME66 short shotgun or the ME67 long shotgun at a later date. The Octava does not have any longer reaching capsules. I have both Octava and ME66 but not the ME62. The Octava sounds great indoors, avoiding wind noise. It is very suseptable to handling noise and wind noise.
I think I'd go for the ME/K6 package with more options available and less handling noise.
 
Re: SENNHEISER ME62/K6 COMBO VS OKTAVA MC012 COMBO

Why use a omni directional? I have ME64/K6, its better if you shuld have it to video/film.
 
Re: SENNHEISER ME62/K6 COMBO VS OKTAVA MC012 COMBO

These two packages are two totally different deals. I do like the Oktava mics, but 90% of the time I want the hypercardioid cap and the other 10% of the time I want the cardioid... so far I've never wished for an omni.

I'd say get the mc-012 with hyper for $193... then get the K-Tek K-SSM (with soft rubber) from Trew Audio for $109. You can use this shock mount for a lot of different mics and you'll never regret getting such a good mount.

If you have zero experience with mics like these then you should just get the single cap Oktava and see what's possible with just this mic. You'll find that with a really good windscreen, such as the Rycote BBG/Jammer (about $180) you can use this mic in many situations (including outdoors).

I realize we have a lot of guys on here that are fans of the "me" series of Sennheiser mics and I don't want to offend those owners, but I had an me66 myself and I just don't feel confident in the ME line. I think the shorter caps such as me-64 and me-62 are better then the 66 and 67, but still not as natural sounding as the Oktava.

Then if later you want to get your short shotgun I'd have some other suggestions, such as an 897 for a budget gun, or a 4073a for the best value short/medium gun. Also going this route will end up in similar costs but it will gain you a spare channel or an extra mic. If you build your whole mic kit out of a modular system and you want to run a short shotgun and a hyper, how are you going to do it? If you get an extra K6 then you're talking serious money invested that I feel could have been spent more wisely.
 
Re: SENNHEISER ME62/K6 COMBO VS OKTAVA MC012 COMBO

Thanks for the replies guys. I'm pretty new to this business, but my desire and determination to do this film is very strong, though I realize that I have a lot to learn.

I already have an AT897 as a short shotgun mic, a Gitzo 6-foot boom pole and a K-TEC KSM mic holder for it as well as a very good Lightwave windscreen. I'm wondering now if I may need a longer boom pole for the shotgun. By sticking it in a section of conduit I can give it more reach, but this may not be the best approach. I'm guessing that a long shotgun helps with the collection of sound at longer distances, yes? So if that is the case I'll buy a longer pole for the second mic or? Suggestions? I don't plan on any real long shots, and I will have two wireless mics, see below.

My thinking on the second mic is that I need a good, (Not great, all of those are over a grand which is too much for my budget right now.) indoor mic, as my research here leads me to believe that the AT897 is not that useful indoors. I was also thinking that it might be a good idea to have a combo set incase I need another shotgun type mic, or I have a problem, damage etc with the first one. The reason I'm looking at getting an omni capsule is that some of the dialog will be indoors and outdoors between several people, and I need a mic that will handle that task and give me good results. I will be buying a good windscreen and mic holder for what ever mic I get. If someone here can enlighten me as to just what the different capsules are good for I would appreciate it. I have the tale to tell, and the equipment to tell it with for the most part, as well as some help from my local community and university theater depts. but I'm very new to the complexities of what I'm about to get into.

I'm also going to be buying a pair of Sennheiser EW112-G2 wireless mics for when it's just two characters talking, which will be happening frequently in this movie. I will be getting my second DVX for my movie project in a couple of days, so I can use up to four mics at one time on many of the shoots. I'm just trying to make the best choice I can on a second mic, and at this point it looks like the Oktava has more going for it than the Sennheiser as far as indoor use is concerned.

Here is a link to an older thread of mine here that lists what I have so far for the movie. For some reason I keep getting this error message; This topic doesn't exist on this board. 110827572 : 2068., even though it works when I use it on the copy of this post I wrote first in my word program:  Here is the link on the hardware thread under the heading; Camera quandary, DVX again, or? I'll bump it up to the first page again.

http://www.dvxuser.com/cgi-bin/DVX2/YaBB.pl?board=Links;action=display;num=110827572

If you can think of anything else that will be helpful please feel free to enlighten me, as I can use all the good input on this I can get. Thanks.

David
 
Re: SENNHEISER ME62/K6 COMBO VS OKTAVA MC012 COMBO

LOL! Oh man, I'm still laughing.

Sorry....

There is no such thing as a matched pair of Octava anything. Their quality control is such crap that to get two mics to sound even slightly similar without doing any mods is near imossible. Octava doesn't do matched pairs, just ask them. What some dealers do is go through a shipment of mics, and try to get two that sound the most alike and call them a matched pair. A true matched pair of mics have conescutive serial numbers, so you know they rolled off the line one right after the other assuring that both mics were made in the same way. Octava doesn't care about this. I've heard a "matched pair" of these mics, and was amazed at how different they sounded. Hell, even mine are supposed to be a matched pair, and they are drastically different.

That being said, go with the Sennheiser. The ability to interchange capsules is really cool, especially if you want a really long capsule, like the ME67.
 
Re: SENNHEISER ME62/K6 COMBO VS OKTAVA MC012 COMBO

Thanks for the feedback Dave, you make sense in the versatility of the K6 combo as far as getting other capsules down the road. On another note do you have any thoughts about the Rode NT4, or the AT822 or (?) for stereo background sound?

David
 
Re: SENNHEISER ME62/K6 COMBO VS OKTAVA MC012 COMBO

After talking to Timmy the sound engineer at EVS I've ordered a pair of EW112-G2's, a ME-66/K6 shotgun combo as well as an ME-64 capsule for indoor work. I also got two pair of the Sennheiser HD280 pro headphones, one for the boompole operator and one for the guy monitoring the EW112's. In addition I got a 9' K-TEC boom pole with the coiled line inside, as well as a Lightwave windscreen for the ME-66 capsule. I can use the Lightwave windscreen I have for the AT897 on the ME-64. I already have a K-TEC K-SM mic holder that will work with the ME-66/64 mic. He recommended that I just work with the four channels of sound I'll have with the two DVX cameras and use some of the help from the university and the community college I'll be getting to monitor the sound.

Part of what I want to do with this film is to use it as a learning experience not only for myself, but also for people at the university and community college who will be working with me. I can't offer them pay, but I can offer them experience making a movie and food, food being something I wouldn't have thought of if I hadn't read all these threads here. I was thinking of the Marantz pmd670 for some audio work, but his recommendation is to stick with the camera audio because it's good audio and I won't have any timing problems that way matching up the audio with the video. That should do it for sound, and I have the AT897 as a backup incase I need it. If any of you can think of anything else that might be necessary please feel free to post it here. Thanks for all the help you guys, now I can work on finishing the script and lining up the talent for the movie.

David
 
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