'See Impossible': Canon counts down to... something. *UPDATED*

Can someone explain what is so ridiculous or hilarious about this thread?

What I see is a thread where some people are calling Canon out for staying pretty stagnant with their DSLR video for a number of years compared to their competitors like Nikon, Panasonic and now Sony. How is that either ridiculous or hilarious? This is what we do on this forum, we talk about cameras.
 
Jay Birch said:
Canon have a line up that includes a 4K DSLR and a 4K video camera...
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+1

Canon are killing it, and have been doing so for years now. What's so hilarious in this thread are all the internet-educated amateurs (who can't afford Canon) bitching and moaning, trying to make it seem that there is a problem when there is none.
 
ReelWorksMedia said:
If someone in here would take all the things in this thread and turn it into some sort of short movie...we would all be your best friend forever.
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(in the movie trailer voice):

...In a world, where the average video is of a cat, an admittedly adorable cat, but a cat nonetheless... supposed professionals in the cat,..uhh, i mean tv/film business will argue and scratch over which manufacturer is to blame for not giving them their perfect cat filming camera, instead of actually going out and filming aforementioned cat with any of the dozens of already suitable cameras that exist for filming these fantastically furry feline camera magnets...

Starring....

...A guy who blames his terrible lighting on the lack of clean 80,000iso

...The man who thinks his friends and family gave legitimately good acting performances.

...The producer who still demands you to use a 5d mark 2 because he's That behind on what camera the internet is telling idiots to use for everything regardless of the situation.

...The sea of onlookers who shake their heads in 240fps slow motion at threads like these.

Coming this NAB, every NAB, every year, until cameras are outlawed.
 
Jay Birch said:
Nikon? What have they done?

Canon have a line up that includes a 4K DSLR and a 4K video camera...
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Nikon has greatly reduced moire in their DSLR video, included clean HDMI outputs and in the case of the D750 has included a tilt screen (postiive for video) on a full frame camera.
The complaint is not with C series cameras. Those are a whole differnet ball game. We're comparing the video functionality on similar priced DSLR style cameras. I'm having a hard time trying to figure out why this is so difficult for people to understand and why they keep referencing the C series.

IndyFilmPhreak2013 said:
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Canon are killing it, and have been doing so for years now. What's so hilarious in this thread are all the internet-educated amateurs (who can't afford Canon) bitching and moaning, trying to make it seem that there is a problem when there is none.
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Careful. Im not an amateur. I've been a working pro for 8 years now. It's how I pay all my bills. But as I pointed out in a previous post, not all pros can afford these more expensive cameras. Some of us are in different circumstances. But you'd have to be blind if you were strapped with a Canon DSLR and clients that routinely wear tweed coats or striped shirts with dancing moire everywhere. No matter how many times you send out waredrobe guidelines but they continue to ignore. We find creative work arounds, but with Canon competitors increasely fixing this in-camera, one has to wonder why Canon hasn't.
 
roxics said:
... why they keep referencing the C series

...wonder why Canon hasn't.
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You really don't see the connection? Yes, Canon have a very successful Cinema line to protect - mentioning it is required in this discussion of why they act protective.

Shoot on Sony if you think it's so superior - but any claims that Canon is in trouble (based on such damning evidence as negative internet comments) are ridiculous.
 
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Roxics - the 5d III has greatly improved moire performance as well as clean HDMI out. 70D has a very good auto focus system as well as swivel screen.

But the biggest problem is that people keep expecting Canon to make a DSLR that is a pro video camera. But you have to understand, there will always be compromises when you try to put a square peg in a round hole. Canon DSLR's are primarily targeted to still shooters, and since that is who buys the vast majority of those products, then that is where the priority of functionability will go. It's probably very difficult to make an all in one tool that will appeal to cinematographers and photographers across the board and will fulfill all needs for all people. And let's be honest, it's kind of ridiculous to even expect that, isn't it? Finally, this entire thread was started based a classic camera-forum entitlement syndrome, in which everyone assumes that with even the slightest glimmer of hope of a new product announcement, that it must be a camera and one specifically built for their own particular purpose, and like clockwork everyone loses their sh*t when said imaginary product doesn't materialize. Even worse in this case is that it wasn't even a camera at all (a devastating insult to camera forum gurus). I've seen this happen over and over again, year after year. And frankly, that's ridiculous. Even the most cursory look into how Canon conducts their product development and announcements would have brought a sensibility to this thread that is sorely vacant.
 
Ah yea, Nikon caught up with the 5DIII...

high fives all round.

Amazes me that Canon get so much stick, yet were first to market with a 4K DSLR... first to market with a broadcast codec on a large sensor video cam (Alexa aside). Probably a few other things.

I do agree that price to features seem high... but they are taking more risks than Nikon, who have the potential to clean up.
 
I think the C100 is great unless you really, really need 4k. It's more expensive than a DSLR, but not really that much once you rig your dslr for sound and ND filters.

I'm curious what Canon is working on. It is something mid range, like a C200? Lower, Higher? I'm thinking it's not high end expensive or it would be a different ad campaign, but I don't know.
 
Roxics, some people seem to be defending their favorite camera brand. Or perhaps it's not about their favorite brand, but just instinctively defending the "king" of the DSLR market, when at least some of his clothes are starting to look kinda threadbare.

Going back to the sub-$4k DSLR/mirrorless/hybrid photo/video market: Yes, from the reviews I've seen, Nikon's latest DSLRs have surpassed Canon's DSLRs in video quality at pretty much every segment (various levels of Full Frame and APS-C). They've apparently mostly eliminated moiré and aliasing while maintaining high detail on the image, which is something that apparently Canon has been either not able or not willing to do, even on their latest DSLRs.

Meanwhile, in this general segment, Panasonic, Sony, and Samsung all have 4k mirrorless offerings which feel like an actual next generation of technology. Granted, I'm not yet totally sold on 4k yet, but it does give the impression that the traditional giants are being left behind in the market for combination photo/video cameras, which is a popular market. Nikon seems to be making a little more of an effort than Canon, however, even though the effort is not quite up to their potential. This is all fine, and the decision of the respective companies (who are still doing fairly well overall), but it is a little puzzling to see some people say that there's absolutely no sign of anything wrong.
 
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Shenan said:
Roxics, some people seem to be defending their favorite camera brand. Or perhaps it's not about their favorite brand, but just instinctively defending the "king" of the DSLR market.
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Seriously?

I don't have a favorite camera brand.

Want to know why I own a 5DmkIII?

Because I'm a commercial whore, and have a client who does $70K with me each year that requests I shoot with that camera.

I'd say that makes it the right tool for the job!
 
Shenan said:
but it is a little puzzling to see some people say that there's absolutely no sign of anything wrong.
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That's what I'm saying.

David W. Jones said:
Seriously?

Want to know why I own a 5DmkIII?

Because I'm a commercial whore, and have a client who does $70K with me each year that requests I shoot with that camera.

I'd say that makes it the right tool for the job!
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Absolutely. Personally I've never had a client request a specific camera. So I use what I prefer. I've jumped around a few camera systems over the years. I've never had a client complain about the quality, no matter what I'm shooting with. But there are certain aspects I like or dislike about each system/camera.

I'm not against Canon cameras. I shoot with one now because I love the color, the way subject motion is rendered and choice of lenses. I prefer them to the GH cameras I used to shoot with, even though those were sharper, had better resolving power and were more ergnomic for video. But I do take issue with a few things I think Canon should have fixed by now (moire, HDMI output, etc.). I'm realisitic enough not to be asking for a $10K camera in a $1-2K package, but I also think some of these things could be fixed without it cutting into C series sales.
 
roxics said:
I'm not against Canon cameras. I shoot with one now because I love the color, the way subject motion is rendered and choice of lenses... But I do take issue with a few things I think Canon should have fixed by now (moire, HDMI output, etc.).
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So is there a reason you're no shooting with a 5D III? It meets what your asking for in a DSLR and fixes the issues your having (moire, clean hdmi out). I just find it odd to complain that Canon isn't addressing these things when they already did years ago.
 
cowpunk52 said:
So is there a reason you're no shooting with a 5D III?
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Honestly I didn't realize they did fix those issues with that camera. The 5Ds have always been a little out of my price range so I haven't looked that closely at them. Guess it's my own fault for assuming they preformed the same as their APS-C cameras and 6D.
 
cowpunk52 said:
So is there a reason you're no shooting with a 5D III? It meets what your asking for in a DSLR and fixes the issues your having (moire, clean hdmi out). I just find it odd to complain that Canon isn't addressing these things when they already did years ago.
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YEARS ago? Really? If it was YEARS ago none of their cameras in the DSLR lineup would have these issues, yet they still have. I don't think that the 5D III alone qualifies as solving these issues when clearly they still have new models coming out that have not addressed these issues.

It is for that reason that I moved away from Canon. However, if I had a client actually request/insist on Canon I'd just rent it since that is all I would use it for. I fully understand David's perspective though. If I had a client who requested that specifically and brought in that amount of work annually I'd own one too =)

Canon has its place but for me personally, I will pass.
 
R Hudson said:
Canon has its place but for me personally, I will pass.
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Then what are you even doing in this thread about Canon?

I can't believe the attitudes on display in this thread. Next thing you know, you'll be hearing complaints that Ferrari doesn't make a $8000 car - because if Honda can do it, surely that means that Ferrari is obligated to do so too, nevermind the fact that they are doing just fine making $100,000 cars.
 
roxics said:
Honestly I didn't realize they did fix those issues with that camera. The 5Ds have always been a little out of my price range so I haven't looked that closely at them. Guess it's my own fault for assuming they preformed the same as their APS-C cameras and 6D.
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As for moire performance, it's virtually gone in the 5D III, unlike the 6D or most APS-C cameras (7D II is reported to be on par with 5D III). The clean HDMI out came with a firmware update sometime after release, but I don't know exactly when. If you like the Canon look/color and want full frame with those features, that's the one to go for at the moment. The 6D's video performance does not do nearly as well in controlling moire - but wasn't targeted as aggressively at videographers, and was meant as an entry-level full frame for still shooters. To that end, it does perform better than the 5D III in some respects in it's stills.
 
David W. Jones said:
Seriously?

I don't have a favorite camera brand.

Want to know why I own a 5DmkIII?

Because I'm a commercial whore, and have a client who does $70K with me each year that requests I shoot with that camera.

I'd say that makes it the right tool for the job!
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I want your gear when you decide to change careers :)
 
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