I freakin hate high school guys. Its so lame, and it seems like everything we do is pointless. They are always saying "in college" this and in college that, but from what I can tell, nothing I am doing in High school is like college is going to be. It just makes me mad that we are constantly doing busy work, constantly book learning, with no real hands on experience with anything we learn. I can't wait until after high school when I can pursue things that actually interest me....sorry just venting. I mean, can any of you more experience people give me some advice? I am about to lose it, and this semester isn't even over....
School sucks
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XCheck
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Re: School sucks
Hang in there, buddy - that's all I can say.
I think most of us 'oldies' went through the same thing once or twice when we were in high school. I didn't go to HS in North America, but from what I hear (from my son, his friends, my friends' kids) it is more BS than it used to be. I can't put my finger on it, but a feel a lot of it has to do with political correctness. For example, my son was literally ostricized in Grade 7 when he was the only one who openly disagreed with the idea of gay marriage.
Now - regardless of what you may think on the issue itself, I have a problem with a school system that in the name of freedom of sexual orientation suppresses freedom of expression. To put it in the words of my son's school whip (I don't even know what his official title was), "a lot of kids think that school is a democratic institution while it is not" - there's your answer.
It gets a little better with age (and change of the environment), but not much. I still get in trouble at work because I disagree with this or that boss, but at least I have the choice of leaving without 'not getting the credit'.
The school system in NA puts teachers' priorities before those of students. I don't know how it became to be so, though, and don't know how to fix it (if possible). This society seems to have declared war on children (contrary to what baby-kissing politicians would like us to believe).
I know that when my kids reached 14, it felt like all after school programs disappeared from the surface of the Earth. I think the 14-18 age is the second most critical formative age (first being 0-3 years), and a lot of problems (drugs&alcohol, dropping out of school, teenage suicide) exist because kids are not given the opportunities and responsibilities they could handle. Then, BANG! you are 18 and you are supposed to be an adult!
So - here I am, venting along with you. I am 42, BTW, so at least you can see it as a sign that there are people out there that feel with your generation.
OTOH, watch Grease or Saturday Night Fever - those are films my generation identified with, and you will see that it was different pile, same **** back in 70s.
Just like someone mentioned in here - never stop questioning things, you can only lose once you stop.
All the best,
Jerry
Hang in there, buddy - that's all I can say.
I think most of us 'oldies' went through the same thing once or twice when we were in high school. I didn't go to HS in North America, but from what I hear (from my son, his friends, my friends' kids) it is more BS than it used to be. I can't put my finger on it, but a feel a lot of it has to do with political correctness. For example, my son was literally ostricized in Grade 7 when he was the only one who openly disagreed with the idea of gay marriage.
Now - regardless of what you may think on the issue itself, I have a problem with a school system that in the name of freedom of sexual orientation suppresses freedom of expression. To put it in the words of my son's school whip (I don't even know what his official title was), "a lot of kids think that school is a democratic institution while it is not" - there's your answer.
It gets a little better with age (and change of the environment), but not much. I still get in trouble at work because I disagree with this or that boss, but at least I have the choice of leaving without 'not getting the credit'.
The school system in NA puts teachers' priorities before those of students. I don't know how it became to be so, though, and don't know how to fix it (if possible). This society seems to have declared war on children (contrary to what baby-kissing politicians would like us to believe).
I know that when my kids reached 14, it felt like all after school programs disappeared from the surface of the Earth. I think the 14-18 age is the second most critical formative age (first being 0-3 years), and a lot of problems (drugs&alcohol, dropping out of school, teenage suicide) exist because kids are not given the opportunities and responsibilities they could handle. Then, BANG! you are 18 and you are supposed to be an adult!
So - here I am, venting along with you. I am 42, BTW, so at least you can see it as a sign that there are people out there that feel with your generation.
OTOH, watch Grease or Saturday Night Fever - those are films my generation identified with, and you will see that it was different pile, same **** back in 70s.
Just like someone mentioned in here - never stop questioning things, you can only lose once you stop.
All the best,
Jerry
drummerboy678
Well-known member
Re: School sucks
I'm in high school too man... it can get rough! For me, its senior year though, and I'm enjoyin the hell out of it. And I have my schedule set, so 4 out of my 8 classes are film related.
Just try to enjoy it... these years are great.
I'm in high school too man... it can get rough! For me, its senior year though, and I'm enjoyin the hell out of it. And I have my schedule set, so 4 out of my 8 classes are film related.
Just try to enjoy it... these years are great.
Re: School sucks
Thanks alot. It seems like lately my only outlet is in fact, my DVX. It seems like the only logical, free, self expressive and self satisfying thing I can do. I guess the thing that bugs me, is that all this stuff I am doing every day, just seems to be for a purpose that escapes me. Most of the time, I'm not even doing it for my own learning, just for some self ritious (sp?) teacher and a school administration that, like you mentioned, doesn't care about the students that they supposedly support. I think at school, along with the "tobbacco free zone" signs, they should post another sign that says "constitution and rights free zone, please check your freedoms at the door". I guess I just need to hang in there. After this semester hopefully my class schedule will be a little better, I can only hope. I just can't wait until I graduate in June. It just irks me every time I hear a teacher say "in college it won't be this easy". Essentially everyone I have talked to says that their senior year of high school was harder than their freshman year of college. I have an interview for the Art Institute of Portland tomorrow. Hopefully they can finally recognize that not all education comes in the forms of A's and B's, and not all intelligence is marked by exceeding scores on standardized tests created for an un-standard group of people.....
Thanks alot. It seems like lately my only outlet is in fact, my DVX. It seems like the only logical, free, self expressive and self satisfying thing I can do. I guess the thing that bugs me, is that all this stuff I am doing every day, just seems to be for a purpose that escapes me. Most of the time, I'm not even doing it for my own learning, just for some self ritious (sp?) teacher and a school administration that, like you mentioned, doesn't care about the students that they supposedly support. I think at school, along with the "tobbacco free zone" signs, they should post another sign that says "constitution and rights free zone, please check your freedoms at the door". I guess I just need to hang in there. After this semester hopefully my class schedule will be a little better, I can only hope. I just can't wait until I graduate in June. It just irks me every time I hear a teacher say "in college it won't be this easy". Essentially everyone I have talked to says that their senior year of high school was harder than their freshman year of college. I have an interview for the Art Institute of Portland tomorrow. Hopefully they can finally recognize that not all education comes in the forms of A's and B's, and not all intelligence is marked by exceeding scores on standardized tests created for an un-standard group of people.....
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Re: School sucks
PDX_DVX
It could potentially be some of the best years of your life; make the best of it and roll with the program.
PDX_DVX
It could potentially be some of the best years of your life; make the best of it and roll with the program.
XCheck
Veteran
Re: School sucks
PDX_DVX:
You have to understand that marking system is in place to measure conformity with a standard. I would take very suspiciously anyone who claims that standard to be intelligence. Mostly that standard is a body of knowledge and (increasingly) the form in which you present that knowledge.
My son's last year of HS was filled with 'in college this' kind of speak. Guess what was the first thing he heard in his orientation session the first day of university? 'This is not high school, here you don't have to come to classes if you don't feel like'. Now THAT is BS. What kind of message is that?
Despite what I said in my previous post, I agree with John, though: these may be the best years of your life. Just don't let the system get you. Do what you love, and turn those assignments in on time.
Why don't you write a script for a short film, and offer your teachers an acting role. You have no idea how that can turn around some people's attitudes!
When I met my wife 25 years ago (gee, now I feel really old!), we were both in high school, both hyper-active in ANYTHING BUT school. I had it easy because I loved sciences, and as long as I had good marks there, the humanities' teachers just assumed I was a nerd and let me live, but she had a harder nut to crack. She decided to direct a theatre play. You may say 'big deal'. This was in 1979, in communist Czechoslovakia, and the play was a comedy by an author who was not favoured by the regime. But she persevered, invited the whole school to the premiere, and became a sort of local celebrity. Despite the slightly anti-communist overtone to the play, she got a medal from the local commie-youth authority for her activity. It was harder for most teachers to give her hard time after that...
Ironically, the central character of that play was an 'always good boy', who turned out to have hay instead of blood in his veins, and who murdered one of his teachers to avoid discovery of that fact...
As you can see, yours is not a new problem.
PDX_DVX:
You have to understand that marking system is in place to measure conformity with a standard. I would take very suspiciously anyone who claims that standard to be intelligence. Mostly that standard is a body of knowledge and (increasingly) the form in which you present that knowledge.
My son's last year of HS was filled with 'in college this' kind of speak. Guess what was the first thing he heard in his orientation session the first day of university? 'This is not high school, here you don't have to come to classes if you don't feel like'. Now THAT is BS. What kind of message is that?
Despite what I said in my previous post, I agree with John, though: these may be the best years of your life. Just don't let the system get you. Do what you love, and turn those assignments in on time.
Why don't you write a script for a short film, and offer your teachers an acting role. You have no idea how that can turn around some people's attitudes!
When I met my wife 25 years ago (gee, now I feel really old!), we were both in high school, both hyper-active in ANYTHING BUT school. I had it easy because I loved sciences, and as long as I had good marks there, the humanities' teachers just assumed I was a nerd and let me live, but she had a harder nut to crack. She decided to direct a theatre play. You may say 'big deal'. This was in 1979, in communist Czechoslovakia, and the play was a comedy by an author who was not favoured by the regime. But she persevered, invited the whole school to the premiere, and became a sort of local celebrity. Despite the slightly anti-communist overtone to the play, she got a medal from the local commie-youth authority for her activity. It was harder for most teachers to give her hard time after that...
Ironically, the central character of that play was an 'always good boy', who turned out to have hay instead of blood in his veins, and who murdered one of his teachers to avoid discovery of that fact...
As you can see, yours is not a new problem.
10s
Veteran
Re: School sucks
If high school is full of theory, wait til you hit college!
Try to enjoy the moment where ever you are, there you will find contentment. Thinking of other places & times will only torment you. I was where you are at and still am in many ways....and I'm still in school...but this time I'm the teacher....college that is! You can & will survive
If high school is full of theory, wait til you hit college!
Try to enjoy the moment where ever you are, there you will find contentment. Thinking of other places & times will only torment you. I was where you are at and still am in many ways....and I'm still in school...but this time I'm the teacher....college that is! You can & will survive
Re: School sucks
just imagine if we never went to high school before college... it's amazing how we unknowingly learn a lot during high school, it's just we think that we don't learn anything practical or useful.
it's my first year of university and I must say, high school was a breeze compared to univ
enjoy high school as much as possible, but whatever other people say, I have to say university is the best time of a person's life
just imagine if we never went to high school before college... it's amazing how we unknowingly learn a lot during high school, it's just we think that we don't learn anything practical or useful.
it's my first year of university and I must say, high school was a breeze compared to univ
enjoy high school as much as possible, but whatever other people say, I have to say university is the best time of a person's life
Re: School sucks
I am going to HS next year and am not ready for it at all! PDX can you dicribe your first week as a freshman
I'm a little freaked out on going to HS and my bro went to the same HS as i am a while ago(Last Year Was 1997) and he said
"Mike some of your best days weeks and even months will happen in HS and the only thing you have to worry about is
FRESHMEN HELL WEEK!!! What The F**K IS THAT?
I am going to HS next year and am not ready for it at all! PDX can you dicribe your first week as a freshman
I'm a little freaked out on going to HS and my bro went to the same HS as i am a while ago(Last Year Was 1997) and he said
"Mike some of your best days weeks and even months will happen in HS and the only thing you have to worry about is
FRESHMEN HELL WEEK!!! What The F**K IS THAT?
Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
Re: School sucks
I doubt many people haven't gone through this. That doesn't really help, but it's true.
High school is not democratic, nor should it be. You are there to learn what they think you need to get by. You probably don't agree with a lot of that. Your mind will change about some of it, but not all. My experience was regurgitating answers to questions that I would never see again. It was monumentally frustrating for me, socially as well as intellectually. I went to a very strict Catholic, all-boys penitentiary..er, I mean High School. It was like martial law. Rebel as I might (well over a hundred days of detention
in my freshman year), it did no good. You won't change the program, no matter what happened in Pump Up The Volume.
But here's the catch: Learn that it's not about knowing the answers, it's about learning the lessons. Something sneaky happened to me in HS, and I didn't even realize it until years later: I learned how to learn (mostly by not doing it, but that's another story). Most of the factoids and formulas that you memorize will become useless to you in and of themselves (unless you follow into that specific field). I've never used physics, french or trig, and rarely geometry. History and English are a different story, but I like those subjects. But I learned how to think, how to research, how to plan, and how to problem solve. Those were not in my class schedule, but they were there, below the surface. Those were lessons I still treasure today. I also found that some things can't be taught, but must be learned, and that learning is more fun and rewarding if you don't wait to be taught.
Getting back to all the useless crap that they peddle; they do that for you to find what you like. How do you know you don't want to be a scientist, if you don't learn about science? Sitting through semester after semester of a subject you hate can be frustrating, but you can learn the lesson of dealing with that frustration. Learning how to turn something that you don't like into something that you can at least find some reward in. That doesn't change after high school. No matter what path you choose, you will have to sit through encounters with people you don't like, discussing things that are at best, trivial to you. That's a good skill to have.
But mostly, learn to think for yourself. That's one of those things that can't be taught. Question things, it keeps your brain sharp. View this as a challenge and determine yourself to get the most possible benefit from it. It's not about test scores as much as it is overcoming the obstacles of fear, ignorance and doubt.
As far as college goes, I didn't find the subject matter much more difficult (although it was, a bit). I found the fact that they didn't hold my hand and remind what was due, what I needed to know, and when tests were. It was pretty much: It's up to you to, and we don't care if you show up, or turn anything in. But your grade will reflect your effort. Being the lazy sumbitch that I am, that cost me more than one class.
And be glad you have a DVX to funnel your angst. Some of us codgers only had sticks and rocks. ;D
I doubt many people haven't gone through this. That doesn't really help, but it's true.
High school is not democratic, nor should it be. You are there to learn what they think you need to get by. You probably don't agree with a lot of that. Your mind will change about some of it, but not all. My experience was regurgitating answers to questions that I would never see again. It was monumentally frustrating for me, socially as well as intellectually. I went to a very strict Catholic, all-boys penitentiary..er, I mean High School. It was like martial law. Rebel as I might (well over a hundred days of detention
in my freshman year), it did no good. You won't change the program, no matter what happened in Pump Up The Volume.
But here's the catch: Learn that it's not about knowing the answers, it's about learning the lessons. Something sneaky happened to me in HS, and I didn't even realize it until years later: I learned how to learn (mostly by not doing it, but that's another story). Most of the factoids and formulas that you memorize will become useless to you in and of themselves (unless you follow into that specific field). I've never used physics, french or trig, and rarely geometry. History and English are a different story, but I like those subjects. But I learned how to think, how to research, how to plan, and how to problem solve. Those were not in my class schedule, but they were there, below the surface. Those were lessons I still treasure today. I also found that some things can't be taught, but must be learned, and that learning is more fun and rewarding if you don't wait to be taught.
Getting back to all the useless crap that they peddle; they do that for you to find what you like. How do you know you don't want to be a scientist, if you don't learn about science? Sitting through semester after semester of a subject you hate can be frustrating, but you can learn the lesson of dealing with that frustration. Learning how to turn something that you don't like into something that you can at least find some reward in. That doesn't change after high school. No matter what path you choose, you will have to sit through encounters with people you don't like, discussing things that are at best, trivial to you. That's a good skill to have.
But mostly, learn to think for yourself. That's one of those things that can't be taught. Question things, it keeps your brain sharp. View this as a challenge and determine yourself to get the most possible benefit from it. It's not about test scores as much as it is overcoming the obstacles of fear, ignorance and doubt.
As far as college goes, I didn't find the subject matter much more difficult (although it was, a bit). I found the fact that they didn't hold my hand and remind what was due, what I needed to know, and when tests were. It was pretty much: It's up to you to, and we don't care if you show up, or turn anything in. But your grade will reflect your effort. Being the lazy sumbitch that I am, that cost me more than one class.
And be glad you have a DVX to funnel your angst. Some of us codgers only had sticks and rocks. ;D
Re: School sucks
I was never so happy in my life as the day I left high school. An ear-to-ear grin.
I was never so SAD and depressed in my life as the day I left undergrad. Those were four incredible years, packed with great times and great memories.
Law school was fun, too, but nothing like undergrad.
One thing to remember about being in school is that you will never, ever, be around that many people of your own age again. You will be astounded at that when you're away from it.
I was never so happy in my life as the day I left high school. An ear-to-ear grin.
I was never so SAD and depressed in my life as the day I left undergrad. Those were four incredible years, packed with great times and great memories.
Law school was fun, too, but nothing like undergrad.
One thing to remember about being in school is that you will never, ever, be around that many people of your own age again. You will be astounded at that when you're away from it.
Terry_Lasater
All about the Caption
Re: School sucks
[quote author=David Jimerson link=board=Offtopic;num=1105403878;start=0#11 date=01/10/05 at 19:02:29]One thing to remember about being in school is that you will never, ever, be around that many people of your own age again. You will be astounded at that when you're away from it.[/quote]
So true.
[quote author=David Jimerson link=board=Offtopic;num=1105403878;start=0#11 date=01/10/05 at 19:02:29]One thing to remember about being in school is that you will never, ever, be around that many people of your own age again. You will be astounded at that when you're away from it.[/quote]
So true.
Re: School sucks
Couldn't agree more with this. Nothing else matters if you do not learn to think. That's the TRUE purpose of education in my opinion.
The school system is based on how well you can play the system unfortunately. I know plenty of dumb people who graduated with good grades in High School who I would never consider hiring for even the simplest task. Grades =/ intelligence. Just remember that. Now grades often do = effort. Playing the system takes effort - not intelligence sadly.
I was very glad to get out of high school. Don't get me wrong, I had plenty of friends, people to hang out with, things to do... I ran track, played football etc. When it came right down to it though the general high school attitude just pissed me off. Mostly with respect to the students.
We all have bad teachers from time to time. Teachers who can't think or won't. One valuable lesson you can learn is how to deal with these people. The world is surprisingly full of them. You don't escape it by leaving high school. You'll go get a job and some dumb administrator who never studied the field you work in will try to tell you that his/her way is better than a well thought out plan. Those with greatest power did not gain it from money or status - they gained it from the ability to influence others around them.
As for college: I'm still in my freshman year but it has been a BREEZE compared to high school. You can't slack off of course but at least you get a little respect and the social scene is 100% more relaxed.
EDIT: That should have read grades DO NOT = intelligence!
Couldn't agree more with this. Nothing else matters if you do not learn to think. That's the TRUE purpose of education in my opinion.
The school system is based on how well you can play the system unfortunately. I know plenty of dumb people who graduated with good grades in High School who I would never consider hiring for even the simplest task. Grades =/ intelligence. Just remember that. Now grades often do = effort. Playing the system takes effort - not intelligence sadly.
I was very glad to get out of high school. Don't get me wrong, I had plenty of friends, people to hang out with, things to do... I ran track, played football etc. When it came right down to it though the general high school attitude just pissed me off. Mostly with respect to the students.
We all have bad teachers from time to time. Teachers who can't think or won't. One valuable lesson you can learn is how to deal with these people. The world is surprisingly full of them. You don't escape it by leaving high school. You'll go get a job and some dumb administrator who never studied the field you work in will try to tell you that his/her way is better than a well thought out plan. Those with greatest power did not gain it from money or status - they gained it from the ability to influence others around them.
As for college: I'm still in my freshman year but it has been a BREEZE compared to high school. You can't slack off of course but at least you get a little respect and the social scene is 100% more relaxed.
EDIT: That should have read grades DO NOT = intelligence!
Kirk Gillock
Rebel with a cause
Re: School sucks
PDX - If you're not enjoying high school, that might be good, because you have ALOT more to look forward to after HS. If you're enjoying high school ALOT then, be careful, you might have just reached your peak.
Hang in there, the DVX is your friend, and good luck!
PDX - If you're not enjoying high school, that might be good, because you have ALOT more to look forward to after HS. If you're enjoying high school ALOT then, be careful, you might have just reached your peak.
Hang in there, the DVX is your friend, and good luck!
Re: School sucks
Thanks alot guys. I am glad to get a different perspective than I had before. Thanks for supporting me, and giving me some helpful insight from those of you who have been there. It helps out alot. And once again I am confounded by the support of a group of people I have never met who are united by a common passion for an art form. Thanks again.
Thanks alot guys. I am glad to get a different perspective than I had before. Thanks for supporting me, and giving me some helpful insight from those of you who have been there. It helps out alot. And once again I am confounded by the support of a group of people I have never met who are united by a common passion for an art form. Thanks again.
BLUESPIDER
DVXuser Ninja
Re: School sucks
If I had a chance to go back to highschool and relearn spanish,math and other subjects I would in a heart beat. Back then I really didn't care and just wanted to goof off and have fun. Now am at an age where I have a hard time concentrating and remembering things. It's tuff! I get things but it takes me longer than it usually takes me. Absorb as much as you can while your brain cells are active. I blame it on cell phones dang it. You're still young, stay in school and get the best of it while you still got the chance.
If I had a chance to go back to highschool and relearn spanish,math and other subjects I would in a heart beat. Back then I really didn't care and just wanted to goof off and have fun. Now am at an age where I have a hard time concentrating and remembering things. It's tuff! I get things but it takes me longer than it usually takes me. Absorb as much as you can while your brain cells are active. I blame it on cell phones dang it. You're still young, stay in school and get the best of it while you still got the chance.
Aaron Lavinsky
Well-known member
Re: School sucks
yeah, im a senior, its kind of lame, but youll be thankful you graduated in the end.
yeah, im a senior, its kind of lame, but youll be thankful you graduated in the end.
Re: School sucks
I was annoyed at the end of high school. I was sick of college at the end. Yes, I had tons of fun in both but frankly I thought they were an utter waste of time. I did get my pieces of paper at the end and had them framed.
Despite my feelings, my education is one of the best things I've got. Looking back, I realized a received an excellent education that speaks credibility.
If you think your too good for school, or its not your cup of tea, or your utterly bored with it (like I was often) and you quit, you may really regret it down the road.
I got through it by thinking DELAYED GRATIFICATION, I am doing this because it is a means to do what I really want to do with my life. And it really was! I was an economics major. It has nothing to do with my career, but the credibility that comes with that degree sure does me a lot of good.
I was annoyed at the end of high school. I was sick of college at the end. Yes, I had tons of fun in both but frankly I thought they were an utter waste of time. I did get my pieces of paper at the end and had them framed.
Despite my feelings, my education is one of the best things I've got. Looking back, I realized a received an excellent education that speaks credibility.
If you think your too good for school, or its not your cup of tea, or your utterly bored with it (like I was often) and you quit, you may really regret it down the road.
I got through it by thinking DELAYED GRATIFICATION, I am doing this because it is a means to do what I really want to do with my life. And it really was! I was an economics major. It has nothing to do with my career, but the credibility that comes with that degree sure does me a lot of good.