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Yas Kassana

Yas Kassana

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A bit of a general and perhaps tough question. I'm trying to cc somebodies elses b/w footage to the look schlinders list. you know really dark blacks and sharp whites. Is there a plug-in that has it preset or would i just have to create it to the best of my ability?
 
unless your using magic bullet , in which the "artistic" preset would likely suit you well with some tweaking. you can just recreate it using the color corrector. desaturate and add contrast. go from there pending your lighting and original image pallatte
 
Start by using "Levels" control. Three simple controls that are the best starting point for any C.C but especially fopr waht you are doing now.

Crush the blacks
Lift the whites (blow them a bit)
Slide the gammas (mid tones) to suit your taste .
 
More importantly pay attention to those levels using the videoscopes in your NLE.

Highlights no more than 100 IRE
 
Followed your advice - thanks guy, the client is happy! Might post the footage without his permission, let's hope he does not find out!
 
By the way. Is there a way of isolating the luminance channel in a low end editing software (vegas, premier...)?
Because it is not the same desaturating that using only the luminance channel...
 
Use 'HLS'

eg. S = Saturation

Do not use luminance to desaturate.
L = light levels (luminance)

"Levels" is the same thing with the advantage of the Histogram interface.
 
the PPRO color corrector has HLS and levels, and range definition and all the other stuff youll want built in. IMHO its alot easier to just use the corrector as one effect, rather than make each adjustment seperately through a different effect application to the clip. but either way works, as long as you know what you need to do.
 
I think you did not understand me.

TO desaturate a color image is not the same that using the luminance channel as a BW film would do.
 
Great question...

I don't know - though I would love to... I don't think this is possible in any NLE on the market. Possibly After Effects.
 
macgregor - I still do not understand your question but I am interested to hear a more complete explanation about "luminance channels and BW film"
 
Well. Lets see an example.

We take this picture:

des01.jpg


Now if we just desaturate we get this:


des02.jpg


But if we only pick the luminance channel (done in photoshop):


des03.jpg


Now maybe you do not see the diference. But download the pictures and use irfan view or some similar image viewer to go from one to another quickly. Do you see the difference?
The desaturated image is more "plain". Less detailed in grey scale. You loose the degradation in the sky. The sand becomes the same grey color, while in the "real BW" image you still can see the difference in grey color of the sand. (sorry i do not express very well such a complicated thing in english).

Lets see another example:


nin1.jpg



nin2.jpg



nin3.jpg



Watch the face of the child at left. Her face is darken.
Don´t you see their faces more natural in the last picture?
It is not a question of an overall darken picture, but where you get more color, images look darken if you desaturate. That is why if we could get the luminance channel we would get much more detail and better results as a BW film (or camera)would do.

Now someone tell me how to do this in Vegas. Try doing it photoshop yourself. Convert the image to Color Lab and then isolate each channel. I think you get one channel for lumminance, one for Red and one for Green (just guessing).
Bye!
 
I can see what you mean in your examples although I feel you could grade into the areas and get basically that from the Levels Control .

Some of the CC's in my system ( eg Matrox CC) have a 'Transparency' control " - an option usually called "Maintain Transparency". This seems to do what have done above.

I have not looked to see if this option is available in my other CCs but will do so when at my machine next.
 
i believe the magic bullet black and white filters do actually do the CORRECT method of converting color to B&W. - Ie. Magic bullet uses the luminance channel method.
 
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