Billy Pilgrim
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John_Hudson said:
Don't let Ray Carney see that.
Schindlers List
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Don't let Ray Carney see that.
MalcolmOng
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I can never decide which movie is my fav, so i'll say its definitely in the top 10 of my list. Notable films here include Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and Pixar Films
Billy Pilgrim
Stye in my eye
MalcolmOng said:
I can't even remember how many times I've watched that and my Michel Gondry DVD. I want to see his new film.
John_Hudson said:
Come on fellows...I know that. I'm not saying its up there with the best movies ever made as far as quality goes. I'm just saying its up there for ME PERSONALLY. I was just using this as an example of how peoples tastes vary. For me a film this remarkable with atmosphere, music, and mood ....things that are important to me as a filmmaker and film viewer.... it goes that far on my list. I know its nowhere near any classics....just for me personally.
I'm not saying it should be regarded by anyone else as being anywhere close to Star Wars and Schindlers List.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
It is a mystery that not only this guy has a job, but that some people are actually paying attention to this assclown of a professor.
This guy has true disdain for films like Bonnie and Clyde, Clockwork Orange, Dressed to Kill, Blow Out, Blood Simple, Raising Arizona, Miller's Crossing, Near Dark, Blue Velvet, Heathers, Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction ....
This guy made a quote saying:
He actually says this about Schindler's List:
Did he even watch the film ? I doubt it. That paragraph says nothing of truth about the film. He has ZERO taste in film. He is living off of the Cassavetes soul and pimping it for his own ego. He oughta be ashamed.
I was having a bit of fun and truly understand; The Return of the Living Dead is in my Deserted Islands List.
Yah I know off topic, but I am following the discussion.
I love this before the movie starts.
Great zerg on the cops when they are called to the cemetery.
This scene is great, showing the rain that is carrying the zombie virus/plague in it, as it carries through the ground and into graves. We then see a zombie crawl up through the earth.
If you haven't seen it, go check it out. You can buy the dvd for $5. Not amazing, brilliant or one of the best, but is entertaining as hell.
I love this before the movie starts.
Great zerg on the cops when they are called to the cemetery.
This scene is great, showing the rain that is carrying the zombie virus/plague in it, as it carries through the ground and into graves. We then see a zombie crawl up through the earth.
If you haven't seen it, go check it out. You can buy the dvd for $5. Not amazing, brilliant or one of the best, but is entertaining as hell.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
It's never off topic when discussing TROTLD
Billy Pilgrim
Stye in my eye
John_Hudson said:
I love John Cassavetes, and his articles and books about him, but he is extremely pretentious and obscurist. I'm not really into mainstream movies, but sometimes art and the mainstream mesh well and create good films that are genuinely good. I think he either knows that but refuses to admit it, or hasn't even really given the filmmakers and films a chance. He probably saw Raising Arizona and thought all the Coen's films are like that, without even considering Miller's Crossing, Barton Fink, Blood Simple, etc. I think perhaps he's too stubborn to find anythign redeeming in the films he badmouths.
Oh yeah, and I too love Return of the Living Dead. The sequels are awful though.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
I am growing to like Cassavetes more and more; I have thius far seen more of the John in front of the cmaera than behind but have just loved The Killing of a a Chinese Bookie and A Woman Under the Influence
The sequels to Return are a sham; too bad
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I agree with you on Carney. Something tells me he is simply a pretencious arse who has really done nothing of his own; whoring the legacy of JC for his own benefit
The sequels to Return are a sham; too bad
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I agree with you on Carney. Something tells me he is simply a pretencious arse who has really done nothing of his own; whoring the legacy of JC for his own benefit
"Spielberg could have done it with Schindler's List if he had dared to make a movie sympathetic to the SS. You may smile, but I'm not joking. How about a movie that deeply, compassionately entered into the German point of view in order to reveal how regular people with wives and children could be drawn into committing such horrors? How about a movie that showed that, at least potentially, we are them? A film that didn't locate the bad guys in an emotional galaxy far away? Of course, Spielberg could never make that film even if he tried to, because it would require too much insight on his part. And if he did make it, it would certainly not get Academy Awards-because it would not merely cycle through Good Housekeeping approved responses. It would make viewers really have to think. And thinking, real thinking, is always dangerous. They might be forced to realize things about themselves that they would rather avoid. They just might be made to squirm a little."
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Not the angle I would have taken but in essence he is right. Spielberg could never make a movie that didnt have good and evil defined perfectly, in a very child-like way. He made the movie in black and white because, he said, people remember WW2 as black and white. Nope--HE remembered it as black and white, the people who lived through it remembered it in color. Awful things happen on sunny days. That's life. But for Spielberg really bad things dont happen in color--they have to be in another universe--black and white sets it apart--in history. I certainly hope he didnt have it in B and W to be arty or just to get mileage out of the red coat scene.
I thought the most disturbing scene to Spielberg's world view in the movie was when the little kid does the "cut throat" sign. But it was a little kid-younger veen than Elliot,-hardly old enough to understand--so maybe it was a cop out. If it had been a nice teen to adult German family standing on the sidelines, it would have been too disturbing for Spielberg. He cant have people with shades of grey.
And he couldnt kill a sympathetic character between Sugarland Express(I exclude Quint--not entirely sympathetic and a work for hire job) and Saving Private Ryan.
Schindler's List is not a challenging movie thematically-it was challenging only because Spielberg made it--and he was mainly known for making popcorn movies with simple characters (forget Color Purple--ET was still his most praised movie until Jurassic Park)and joking about nazis(Hitler signing Indiana Jones' book). SL is just stating the obvious--Nazis were bad. Oscar Schindler was not as nice a guy in real life as portrayed in the movie where he was hardly a grey character.
ET was big--HUGE in the 80s. Everywhere i looked they talked about this film as Spielberg's best. It even got a couple of theatrical runs--and he talked about never having it on video(until piracy forced him to). Its 2002 rerelease bombed. And he went in and changed the guns to walkie talkies because he didnt think it was convincing that soldiers or government agents would use guns against kids( kids harboring a diseased alien organism?). Still it bombed. Bad timing after 911? Or was it just that the movie no longer seemed as interesting. By contrast--the Thing bombed in 82--but has endured quite well over the years.
So the question of what type of legacy Spielberg will have is hard to determine --because a film that is received favorably now may not be so well remembered in 20 years.
Some of his recent movies like AI and War of the Worlds got some nasty reviews--charging he was trying to stick a happy ending on it(though he followed the HG Wells novel fairly closely--he was trying to please everyone).
He even changes views about his own movies--like Close Encounters. Dysfunctional dad abandons kids to chase aliens. He would never do that movie today.
My vote for Spielberg's underdog movie goes to the Lost World. It was his first post Schindler movie --uneven, strangely detached with plot holes and ludicrous moments as if he was trying to tell the audience he was bored with his summer movies, much darker than Jurassic Park with its Hookesque touches, was widely hated, and yet it is his only movie that has irony.
A) the little girl who feeds the creature and gets attacked for it. B)The nice guy Eddie who gets rewarded for saving his team mates by getting bitten in half(arguably the first sympathetic character in his popcorn movies to be killed )
C)the paleontologist who is afraid of snakes and gets killed by a dinosaur because of it D) the other kid whose dog gets eaten E) the endangered baby dinosaur gets the final kill and F) the message of the movie being that people are generally best kept away from interfering in "lost worlds."
Now that's dark.
Flame away. I'll try to drop by later to get warmed up.
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Not the angle I would have taken but in essence he is right. Spielberg could never make a movie that didnt have good and evil defined perfectly, in a very child-like way. He made the movie in black and white because, he said, people remember WW2 as black and white. Nope--HE remembered it as black and white, the people who lived through it remembered it in color. Awful things happen on sunny days. That's life. But for Spielberg really bad things dont happen in color--they have to be in another universe--black and white sets it apart--in history. I certainly hope he didnt have it in B and W to be arty or just to get mileage out of the red coat scene.
I thought the most disturbing scene to Spielberg's world view in the movie was when the little kid does the "cut throat" sign. But it was a little kid-younger veen than Elliot,-hardly old enough to understand--so maybe it was a cop out. If it had been a nice teen to adult German family standing on the sidelines, it would have been too disturbing for Spielberg. He cant have people with shades of grey.
And he couldnt kill a sympathetic character between Sugarland Express(I exclude Quint--not entirely sympathetic and a work for hire job) and Saving Private Ryan.
Schindler's List is not a challenging movie thematically-it was challenging only because Spielberg made it--and he was mainly known for making popcorn movies with simple characters (forget Color Purple--ET was still his most praised movie until Jurassic Park)and joking about nazis(Hitler signing Indiana Jones' book). SL is just stating the obvious--Nazis were bad. Oscar Schindler was not as nice a guy in real life as portrayed in the movie where he was hardly a grey character.
ET was big--HUGE in the 80s. Everywhere i looked they talked about this film as Spielberg's best. It even got a couple of theatrical runs--and he talked about never having it on video(until piracy forced him to). Its 2002 rerelease bombed. And he went in and changed the guns to walkie talkies because he didnt think it was convincing that soldiers or government agents would use guns against kids( kids harboring a diseased alien organism?). Still it bombed. Bad timing after 911? Or was it just that the movie no longer seemed as interesting. By contrast--the Thing bombed in 82--but has endured quite well over the years.
So the question of what type of legacy Spielberg will have is hard to determine --because a film that is received favorably now may not be so well remembered in 20 years.
Some of his recent movies like AI and War of the Worlds got some nasty reviews--charging he was trying to stick a happy ending on it(though he followed the HG Wells novel fairly closely--he was trying to please everyone).
He even changes views about his own movies--like Close Encounters. Dysfunctional dad abandons kids to chase aliens. He would never do that movie today.
My vote for Spielberg's underdog movie goes to the Lost World. It was his first post Schindler movie --uneven, strangely detached with plot holes and ludicrous moments as if he was trying to tell the audience he was bored with his summer movies, much darker than Jurassic Park with its Hookesque touches, was widely hated, and yet it is his only movie that has irony.
A) the little girl who feeds the creature and gets attacked for it. B)The nice guy Eddie who gets rewarded for saving his team mates by getting bitten in half(arguably the first sympathetic character in his popcorn movies to be killed )
C)the paleontologist who is afraid of snakes and gets killed by a dinosaur because of it D) the other kid whose dog gets eaten E) the endangered baby dinosaur gets the final kill and F) the message of the movie being that people are generally best kept away from interfering in "lost worlds."
Now that's dark.
Flame away. I'll try to drop by later to get warmed up.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
No worries on the flaming as the majority of your post is simply off base and lacking in any sort of truth. That in itself is not a flame. But most of what you write here, is simply not true. There are several comments you make that immediately leap out at me as WTF comments. You sound like you're reciting something from 'How to read film' which we all know is bs anyway
Munich leaps out immediately as a defining example to knock that statement out of the park. Not too mention the fact that Oskar was a greedy bastard from the onset and could obviously care less to the Jewish cause. Maybe you and Ray should go watch the watch the film ?
Of course, it is always convenient to make that statement and then postdate it with an excuse ...
But
Aside from the many innocent victims in JAWS ....
Jurassic Park - Donald Gennaro and Robert Muldoon both are axed. Hardley evil characters and definatley leaning on the sympathetic. They were good guys.
Always - Pete Sandich dies and is the centerpiece of our film
Empire of the Sun - Mrs. Victor
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom - Kao Kan
Schindler's List - Could not kill a sympathetic character ?
Jurassic 2 - You summed that up with
and ofcourse what you already contradicted
He is widely considered the finest filmmaker working today, of the last 20 years and possibly ever. His legacy is not in question but your post is.
I do praise your lengthy, detailed post. Even for the fluff.
I'll be here all week ;0
MalcolmOng
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Well a little off topic here but i enjoyed 'The terminal' for one, and also Catherine Zeta Jone's character was definitely a sympathetic one - yet she got 'axed' so to speak. Along with the indian janitor... 'axed'. Granted i didn't understand the overtly villainous portrayal of the chief security guy, but other than that i really really enjoyed 'The Terminal'. How could you say spielberg couldn't let bad stuff happen to sympathetic characters?
Billy Pilgrim
Stye in my eye
I wonder what Kubrick's Holocaust movie would have been like had he made it.
ExtremeSleuth
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just got done rewatching Schindler's List again. no matter how many times i see it, it'll never grow old. great film, great film
CallaghanFilms
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Hey, Ravines...ravinesedge said:
It should read "...she walks into mine."
CallaghanFilms
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