Sachtler DV-2 Vs. Bogen 503/525 combo.
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Re: Sachtler DV-2 Vs. Bogen 503/525 combo.
Sachtler makes good stuff... obviously and is why the head is twice the price as the 503. The bogen 525 legs IMHO are faster though.
Sachtler makes good stuff... obviously and is why the head is twice the price as the 503. The bogen 525 legs IMHO are faster though.
Re: Sachtler DV-2 Vs. Bogen 503/525 combo.
imho either means "in my honest opinion" or "in my humble opinion" you can tell which it is by if their humble or not, but anyway, i would almost be inclined to say go with the 503 on this one.. the sachtler is a much better setup i think but really its only going to help a heavier cam, its really overkill for the dvx, and in the long run unless you plan on beefing up your cam, it may be more benificial to have the smaller lighter and quicker legs and head. i would buy the sachtler just to not pass up such a good deal, but really its kind of like using an aircraft carrier to float your lunchbox across the lake. it may have more drawbacks than positives if its only for a dvx, but keep it around and maybe youll have somthing that requires it someday.. who knows
imho either means "in my honest opinion" or "in my humble opinion" you can tell which it is by if their humble or not, but anyway, i would almost be inclined to say go with the 503 on this one.. the sachtler is a much better setup i think but really its only going to help a heavier cam, its really overkill for the dvx, and in the long run unless you plan on beefing up your cam, it may be more benificial to have the smaller lighter and quicker legs and head. i would buy the sachtler just to not pass up such a good deal, but really its kind of like using an aircraft carrier to float your lunchbox across the lake. it may have more drawbacks than positives if its only for a dvx, but keep it around and maybe youll have somthing that requires it someday.. who knows
Re: Sachtler DV-2 Vs. Bogen 503/525 combo.
oh.. i didnt even notice the type of sachtler head..lol i just saw sachtler, and thought " big heavy duty arricam tripod that will crush the ground underneath".. yeah get the sachtler.
no.. i dont work for atari. i am illegally using their trademark logo in association with my dvxuser.com identity. and laughing all the way to the bank...
bwahahahaaah!!!
oh.. i didnt even notice the type of sachtler head..lol i just saw sachtler, and thought " big heavy duty arricam tripod that will crush the ground underneath".. yeah get the sachtler.
no.. i dont work for atari. i am illegally using their trademark logo in association with my dvxuser.com identity. and laughing all the way to the bank...
bwahahahaaah!!!
John_Jopson
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Re: Sachtler DV-2 Vs. Bogen 503/525 combo.
I've only ever used the heavy duty pro versions which have a 10 stage drag dial, and even that can take some getting used to (sometimes you have to pan back and forth a few times to get it to click in). The DV version has only a 2 stage dial - I can't imagine which 2 of the 10 settings they've selected. Sachtlers are, however, very robust and very well made.
I've only ever used the heavy duty pro versions which have a 10 stage drag dial, and even that can take some getting used to (sometimes you have to pan back and forth a few times to get it to click in). The DV version has only a 2 stage dial - I can't imagine which 2 of the 10 settings they've selected. Sachtlers are, however, very robust and very well made.
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Re: Sachtler DV-2 Vs. Bogen 503/525 combo.
same price.. get the sachtler. its a no-brainer.
same price.. get the sachtler. its a no-brainer.
SoerenM
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Re: Sachtler DV-2 Vs. Bogen 503/525 combo.
Well just have a look at all their smaller systems (ironically the section is subtitled "low budget systems" hehe but well I think this can be stretched ;o) ...
http://www.sachtler.com/prodlist.as...&wptid=0&mgid=0&ptid=174&pid=0&flg_quicknav=1
They are by far not all bulky/heavy... they make quite "fine"/small tripods/heads as well...
Personally I think if you eg. use a Chrosziel Matte Box/anamorphic adapter etc.pp. you can end up with quite some weight which even requires a larger tripod... I'm currently routing for a DV 8 from them... (of course the price is a bit hefty *sigh*)
Well just have a look at all their smaller systems (ironically the section is subtitled "low budget systems" hehe but well I think this can be stretched ;o) ...
http://www.sachtler.com/prodlist.as...&wptid=0&mgid=0&ptid=174&pid=0&flg_quicknav=1
They are by far not all bulky/heavy... they make quite "fine"/small tripods/heads as well...
Personally I think if you eg. use a Chrosziel Matte Box/anamorphic adapter etc.pp. you can end up with quite some weight which even requires a larger tripod... I'm currently routing for a DV 8 from them... (of course the price is a bit hefty *sigh*)
Re: Sachtler DV-2 Vs. Bogen 503/525 combo.
If the Sachtler is the same price, I'd probably go with that too, although the 503/525 combo looks like a solid setup. Was originally gonna go with that when I went ahead and purchased a Miller instead.
I had concerns about the drag systems for tripods in this price range as well. Apparently, the drag settings are very subtle, and at least for me, the Miller DS-10 I have primarily goes from on to off with very little difference between. I'll have to work with it more to verify.
If the Sachtler is the same price, I'd probably go with that too, although the 503/525 combo looks like a solid setup. Was originally gonna go with that when I went ahead and purchased a Miller instead.
I had concerns about the drag systems for tripods in this price range as well. Apparently, the drag settings are very subtle, and at least for me, the Miller DS-10 I have primarily goes from on to off with very little difference between. I'll have to work with it more to verify.
Re: Sachtler DV-2 Vs. Bogen 503/525 combo.
Too late for me to chime in for your benefit, but I can add to the archives for the people that check before they ask questions that have already been asked (like that ever happens)...
At school we have a fleet (and I mean fleet) of Sachtlers and Bogens. No other tripods. Bogens are for underclassmen, Sachtlers are for upperclassmen. Honestly, I'd never use any tripod other than a Sachtler if I could help it, same with Chrosziel and matte boxes. The craftsmanship, reliability, and even logic of the Sachtler tripods is just unequalled, in my opinion.
The drag on Sachtlers is one of the best things about them, and certainly not hit or miss. Ours have seven steps (8 counting 0), and I can't stand to go back to a head that has less. You get spoiled. I can't speak for the DV line, but I imagine if they have 2 settings, they are logical and useful. Their quick release plate system is vastly better than any competitor (Bogen especially). I've never once had a problem with the legs, and that's something I can't say for Bogen either (had two sets of Bogen legs lock up on me on two different shoots).
This isn't the kind of company that gets where they are by occasionally releasing poor product. They have a consistency of quality that has earned them their name as a manufacturer of great gear a la Arri, Chrosziel, Mole-Richardson, Sennheiser, Chimera, Kinoflo, J. L. Fisher, Chapman, etc. I intend to buy a DV2 with my DVX, and if I even need a steadicam type until, I'll likely go with the Sachtler Artemis. This industry demands reliability, and the companies that are used by the pros provide it and that's how they get their rep. End of story.
Will
Too late for me to chime in for your benefit, but I can add to the archives for the people that check before they ask questions that have already been asked (like that ever happens)...
At school we have a fleet (and I mean fleet) of Sachtlers and Bogens. No other tripods. Bogens are for underclassmen, Sachtlers are for upperclassmen. Honestly, I'd never use any tripod other than a Sachtler if I could help it, same with Chrosziel and matte boxes. The craftsmanship, reliability, and even logic of the Sachtler tripods is just unequalled, in my opinion.
The drag on Sachtlers is one of the best things about them, and certainly not hit or miss. Ours have seven steps (8 counting 0), and I can't stand to go back to a head that has less. You get spoiled. I can't speak for the DV line, but I imagine if they have 2 settings, they are logical and useful. Their quick release plate system is vastly better than any competitor (Bogen especially). I've never once had a problem with the legs, and that's something I can't say for Bogen either (had two sets of Bogen legs lock up on me on two different shoots).
This isn't the kind of company that gets where they are by occasionally releasing poor product. They have a consistency of quality that has earned them their name as a manufacturer of great gear a la Arri, Chrosziel, Mole-Richardson, Sennheiser, Chimera, Kinoflo, J. L. Fisher, Chapman, etc. I intend to buy a DV2 with my DVX, and if I even need a steadicam type until, I'll likely go with the Sachtler Artemis. This industry demands reliability, and the companies that are used by the pros provide it and that's how they get their rep. End of story.
Will
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Re: Sachtler DV-2 Vs. Bogen 503/525 combo.
Lol... for dramatic stuff.. rock on brother, sachtler is the way to go. But I would love to see you run down the road with one. (unless you give that job to your 2nd AC lol).
Lol... for dramatic stuff.. rock on brother, sachtler is the way to go. But I would love to see you run down the road with one. (unless you give that job to your 2nd AC lol).
Re: Sachtler DV-2 Vs. Bogen 503/525 combo.
[quote author=Jarred Land link=board=Links;num=1075913797;start=0#18 date=02/10/04 at 23:29:19]Lol... for dramatic stuff.. rock on brother, sachtler is the way to go. But I would love to see you run down the road with one. (unless you give that job to your 2nd AC lol).
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Of course I do... what else is the 2nd going to do?
I should have stated that I am speaking for dramatic stuff (we narrative types often forget that there are other people in the world), but I'll add that any format-appropriate Sachtler tripod is certainly mobile enough for the task at hand. I'll assume that the "run down the road" comment is in reference to doc work, and if you're doing a doc in 35, you're just asking for these types of things to get in your way and slow you down (and in 35, the tripod mobility is going to be the least of your delays; plus, in 35 you'll certainly have a 2nd to make move the tripod). A sachtler tripod for a 16 camera (as I'm most accustomed to) isn't that heavy. Of course, ours also have carbon fiber legs.
Will
[quote author=Jarred Land link=board=Links;num=1075913797;start=0#18 date=02/10/04 at 23:29:19]Lol... for dramatic stuff.. rock on brother, sachtler is the way to go. But I would love to see you run down the road with one. (unless you give that job to your 2nd AC lol).
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Of course I do... what else is the 2nd going to do?
I should have stated that I am speaking for dramatic stuff (we narrative types often forget that there are other people in the world), but I'll add that any format-appropriate Sachtler tripod is certainly mobile enough for the task at hand. I'll assume that the "run down the road" comment is in reference to doc work, and if you're doing a doc in 35, you're just asking for these types of things to get in your way and slow you down (and in 35, the tripod mobility is going to be the least of your delays; plus, in 35 you'll certainly have a 2nd to make move the tripod). A sachtler tripod for a 16 camera (as I'm most accustomed to) isn't that heavy. Of course, ours also have carbon fiber legs.
Will
Re: Sachtler DV-2 Vs. Bogen 503/525 combo.
Well, I'll be waiting to hear how you like it Elvis.
I need to get a good setup for outdoor work. And I *will* be "running down the road" or more likely *the trail* and will need not only quality and reliability, but something that takes to the elements with some amount of courage and fortitude.
I really have no idea what I want yet, but I am sure open to suggestions from anyone who has had to work in less then ideal weather and all that comes with nature videography.
-Rodger
Well, I'll be waiting to hear how you like it Elvis.
I need to get a good setup for outdoor work. And I *will* be "running down the road" or more likely *the trail* and will need not only quality and reliability, but something that takes to the elements with some amount of courage and fortitude.
I really have no idea what I want yet, but I am sure open to suggestions from anyone who has had to work in less then ideal weather and all that comes with nature videography.
-Rodger