"Our brains have other cognitive biases that make us susceptible to conspiracy theories. One is proportionality bias, a belief that major events have major causes. Intentionality bias makes us assume that events are planned by somebody or something. Confirmation biasmeans we seek out evidence that supports our beliefs. And the illusion-of-understanding bias makes us overestimate our knowledge of how things work." - New Scientist "Conspiracy Theories"
Rust
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JAMedia
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You are dodging the question. I have had some involvement in a US court re negligent deaths (plural) and my work was cited by the Expert Witnesses. (They won their case, which is covered by multiple NDA's and gags.) I approached the Rust case in the same way. After contradicting yourself, multiple times in the preceding 28 pages, you are now bleating about conspiracy theories because you have nothing substantive. In a court setting, myself and the other Expert Witnesses would run rings round you.
You actually know nothing about how to work with an armour or how a drama shoot works, what established protocols are and how they were different in this case.
You’re ignorant but you think you know.
It’s literally showing in every post you’ve made in this thread while you scream where did the live round come from?
You’re ignorant but you think you know.
It’s literally showing in every post you’ve made in this thread while you scream where did the live round come from?
CharlesPapert
Director of Photography
Reading the above interchange, I am reminded of this scene--not sure who is playing which character though.
JAMedia
Well-known member
Er... I have been an amourer.
I know how a drama shoot works.
Done a few.
I have also been involved in a US court case involving fatalities (not murders)
Details matter.
As you pointed out there are protocols on US drama's but when they are ignored (which seems to be often according to you) then people like you keep your heads down and say nothing so you can keep working. At least that is what you said.
So these protocols matter except when you ignore them
You also explained how you determine what are dummy rounds and what are live rounds using a method that would not work on 5 out of the 6 types of dummy rounds used on the set in question.
Again details matter.
Details like where did the live rounds come from. Without the live rounds there would be no death.
You do appear to have a serious chip on your shoulder though.
Peter C.
Veteran
I don't know what you're arguing over. Did you see the sentencing? She didn't even apologize to the family. The prosecution released conversations she has had on the phone in prison after she was convicted. She comes across as badly as she was portrayed, no remorse, self centered, unlikeable. The judge said as much.
JAMedia
Well-known member
Having been involved in court case involving fatalities I do know, however it is you who seems to have no understanding of all this.
JAMedia
Well-known member
None of which has any bearing on guilt.
You judge on the facts not likeability.
I don't understand how a principal suspect was given immunity before the trial.
I swung and missed on everything about the Hannah Guttierez trial. I have adjusted my stance for next at bat. In consideration of the finding of felony criminal guilt and 18 months jailtime for a subjugate wage earner, an outcome that actors are exempt from gun laws seems likely. Vinnie Politan of Court TV stated that as a prosecutor, he wouldn't bring a criminal case for an accidental shooting but if he did, all parties would share equally in the responsibility, that Baldwin knew his prop was a live functioning weapon that could kill, and questioned if the script had called for Baldwin to aim at his own head and fire, would he have checked the gun himself?
The defense for Gutierrez was an obvious failure. The Court TV experts have said the most important job of the defense happens before the trial in the process known as voir dire, the questioning of potential jurors during the jury selection process. My expectation is 100% acquittal for Baldwin.
The defense for Gutierrez was an obvious failure. The Court TV experts have said the most important job of the defense happens before the trial in the process known as voir dire, the questioning of potential jurors during the jury selection process. My expectation is 100% acquittal for Baldwin.
The prosecution withheld evidence from the Rust case against Hannah Guttierez and the Baldwin defense team during the trial of armorer Hannah Guttierez. Detective Hancock testified to giving false testimony that the rounds from Seth Kenney were not similar to the rounds found on the set of Rust.
While the Hannah Guttierez trial was still live, the prosecution ignored evidence in the form of live rounds brought to the Santa Fe Sheriff's Office during the trial of armorer Hannah Guttierez, subpoenaed by the Baldwin defense, and made aware to case detective Corporal Hancock from 1883 armorer Troy Tesch that ammunition reloader Joe Swanson (J.S. initials on white box) that live rounds from the shooting range of nearby 1883 movie set were supplied to Seth Kenney, and that those rounds were in the green box called out in the search warrant labeled 'empty', and that those live rounds were in fact similar to live rounds found on the set of Rust in direct contradiction to the testimony of Corporal Hancock and Seth Kenney that they were not. Corporal Hancock withheld the evidence under the pretense that she did not have a statement from Troy Tesch, and she was surprised to learn today that Baldwin defense team has bodycam footage from the Sheriff's office of the Troy Tesch hand-over stating the rounds were from the green box (recovered empty) in the search warrant executed on Seth Kenney's Albuquerque PDQ Office.
Free Hannah Guttierez. The deception was made in her case, used to falsely convict her of a felony for being solely responsible for bringing live rounds onto the set that she did not, and load them into the gun Baldwin used to accidentally shoot Halyna Hutchins, that she did. Today's testimony in the motion to dismiss hearing established the live rounds were similar to the dummy rounds, and supplied to the set of Rust by Seth Kenney's PDQ.
I said all along they did not prove she brought them onto the set. She's culpable for not checking them, but Vinnie Politan of Court TV, himself a former prosecutor said that in a case of an accidental shooting, he would not prosecute a criminal case but if he did, a finding of equal culpability would be in order among 4 parties, the armorer, the AD, the actor and the ammunition supplier. They were cut deals or not charged, Baldwin's case was dismissed with prejudice however Hannah was sent to prison. She needs to be released because the prosecution committed the same breeches against her as those that resulted in the Baldwin dismissal, and I expect this to happen within 10 days if not sooner. If not, she will be heard on appeal and overturned.
While the Hannah Guttierez trial was still live, the prosecution ignored evidence in the form of live rounds brought to the Santa Fe Sheriff's Office during the trial of armorer Hannah Guttierez, subpoenaed by the Baldwin defense, and made aware to case detective Corporal Hancock from 1883 armorer Troy Tesch that ammunition reloader Joe Swanson (J.S. initials on white box) that live rounds from the shooting range of nearby 1883 movie set were supplied to Seth Kenney, and that those rounds were in the green box called out in the search warrant labeled 'empty', and that those live rounds were in fact similar to live rounds found on the set of Rust in direct contradiction to the testimony of Corporal Hancock and Seth Kenney that they were not. Corporal Hancock withheld the evidence under the pretense that she did not have a statement from Troy Tesch, and she was surprised to learn today that Baldwin defense team has bodycam footage from the Sheriff's office of the Troy Tesch hand-over stating the rounds were from the green box (recovered empty) in the search warrant executed on Seth Kenney's Albuquerque PDQ Office.
Free Hannah Guttierez. The deception was made in her case, used to falsely convict her of a felony for being solely responsible for bringing live rounds onto the set that she did not, and load them into the gun Baldwin used to accidentally shoot Halyna Hutchins, that she did. Today's testimony in the motion to dismiss hearing established the live rounds were similar to the dummy rounds, and supplied to the set of Rust by Seth Kenney's PDQ.
I said all along they did not prove she brought them onto the set. She's culpable for not checking them, but Vinnie Politan of Court TV, himself a former prosecutor said that in a case of an accidental shooting, he would not prosecute a criminal case but if he did, a finding of equal culpability would be in order among 4 parties, the armorer, the AD, the actor and the ammunition supplier. They were cut deals or not charged, Baldwin's case was dismissed with prejudice however Hannah was sent to prison. She needs to be released because the prosecution committed the same breeches against her as those that resulted in the Baldwin dismissal, and I expect this to happen within 10 days if not sooner. If not, she will be heard on appeal and overturned.
Peter C.
Veteran
I've been working in the legal field for many years and I've never seen the lead prosecutor being called to the stand to testify on their own misconduct.
YT streaming attorneys following the Guitierrez trial all said they didn't care for the way she practiced law. She seemed arrogant and kind of jerk. As to her motivations, without knowing the details, she probably wanted to use every advantage she could to win. They all play games but when you go outside the lines and get caught yikes.
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It was Morrissey’s choice to put herself on the stand, and to be eviscerated by Spiro during cross examination. The judge said she didn’t have to testify, Spiro himself she didn’t need to. When she insisted on telling her side he cut her to pieces just as he did with Kenney, Hancock and Poppels.
I am still speechless!
Peter C.
Veteran
There's a saying "Truth is stranger than fiction". Lot's of material for a movie. Entertaining but for the fact of an innocent person losing their life.
Peter C.
Veteran
Most likely would have been dismissed but she's arrogant and thought she could talk her way out of it. Sad but fitting. I'm not one to revel is someone's misfortune despite not liking her.